Lard Transferring

[Halincandenza]

Are we still doing that thing where we pretend there was any chance in hell for Prohm to recruit someone after taking a job in June?

Just thought it was an interesting observation and if Wigginton leaves it will be 2 left after the first 3 years.

 

[SECyclone]

Just thought it was an interesting observation and if Wigginton leaves it will be 2 left after the first 3 years.

If you have players leaving early for the nba that’s a good thing

 

[Halincandenza]

If you have players leaving early for the nba that’s a good thing

It can be a good and bad thing. Good thing because it may help with recruiting, but it is bad thing in that it then means you have to go find an adequate replacement for the loss of that kind of talent. And generally more experienced teams are better in college basketball.

 

[Halincandenza]

Cmon man. If we're doing that count, Coach K and Calipari are the worst recruiters in the country.

Didn't say anything about anyone being a bad recruiter. Calm down.

 

[Cat Stevens]

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/sport...cle_fdc4e782-99b8-11e3-87db-001a4bcf887a.html

I can’t remember the details but this sounds like he wasn’t even suspended for being criminally in a bar. Team rules are team rules but the question is probably more along the lines of are the rules realistic. It would kind of tend towards my opinion that Prohm may have to high of moral rules for the program. This really gets to another question but this isn’t Sunday school. We should want respectable responsible student athletes but they are still college students.

How many ******* chances does he get? He blew through a whole bunch of them. Many leaving teamates hanging out to dry.

I know you crew members are dialed in on your hate the coach mantra, but for ***** sake, Cam is not a victim here.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/sport...cle_fdc4e782-99b8-11e3-87db-001a4bcf887a.html

I can’t remember the details but this sounds like he wasn’t even suspended for being criminally in a bar. Team rules are team rules but the question is probably more along the lines of are the rules realistic. It would kind of tend towards my opinion that Prohm may have to high of moral rules for the program. This really gets to another question but this isn’t Sunday school. We should want respectable responsible student athletes but they are still college students.

Cam was probably on a shorter leash than Monte. Similar to Jason Berryman, back in the day. He had zero strikes left; he was cited for underage just a couple of weeks shy of his 21st birthday and he was gone.

 

[Tre4ISU]

It’s still so concerning.

Yeah, super. Can barely sleep.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Are we still doing that thing where we pretend there was any chance in hell for Prohm to recruit someone after taking a job in June?

...and that Prohm "sold out" on trying to maximize the returns to the 2016-2017 season while he still had Morris, Mitrou-Long, Thomas, and Burton around, bringing in some marginal players like Bowie and Holden at the post who at least had some experience, rather than working harder on bringing in some freshmen to build for the future who might not be very ready to contribute while the roster was still in "win now" mode. He did the right thing in going for it.

It means that we lack some "home grown" upperclassmen right now, but I think it was the right decision to try to do everything you can with that senior talent immediately. I further give a pass to Prohm for an even larger gap in recruiting than when he came in, which is slowly being corrected now with the past two classes (and the inclusion of some higher-quality transfers from other high-major programs, like Marial and Mike), given (1.) Fred's lack of, (2.) Prohm's late start in Ames, and (3.) the "mortgage" on the future he took out that offseason.

There were reasons he was two seasons late in getting the ball rolling.

 

[Cydkar]

Yeah, for sure. As much as I hate to say it, the chicago ball took over THT's game the second half of the season. When things weren't going well he would try to shoot his way out of it, which is not abnormal for the dudes who play in the CPS league. Hero ball is a thing, and he had too much of it in him this year. I think it's obvious he knows his play dipped towards the end there, and I think he is as upset about it as anyone. But, I do think the dudes he came into ISU with are great teammates to have by your side when you're having issues like that. It's easier to trust them, it's easier to play more free with them. I do think he will take a good step forward with his consistency next year. I just hope he hears the same from coach and the NBA scouts he'll be talking to, to make sure it really hits home with him.

The talent is there, that is for sure. Consistency and basketball presence of mind (IQ) need work. I'm excited to see how he grows.

I commented about THT's lack of fundamentals basically the first week of the season. People didn't take it well. They thought he should take the crazy shots because he had the ability to make them.

Nope.

PS - I love the guy.

 

[Halincandenza]

...and that Prohm "sold out" on trying to maximize the returns to the 2016-2017 season while he still had Morris, Mitrou-Long, Thomas, and Burton around, bringing in some marginal players like Bowie and Holden at the post who at least had some experience, rather than working harder on bringing in some freshmen to build for the future who might not be very ready to contribute while the roster was still in "win now" mode. He did the right thing in going for it.

It means that we lack some "home grown" upperclassmen right now, but I think it was the right decision to try to do everything you can with that senior talent immediately. I further give a pass to Prohm for an even larger gap in recruiting than when he came in, which is slowly being corrected now with the past two classes (and the inclusion of some higher-quality transfers from other high-major programs, like Marial and Mike), given (1.) Fred's lack of, (2.) Prohm's late start in Ames, and (3.) the "mortgage" on the future he took out that offseason.

There were reasons he was two seasons late in getting the ball rolling.

Yeah, the grad transfer thing definitely was a good risk because of what you said. Try to maximize those first two years.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I commented about THT's lack of fundamentals basically the first week of the season. People didn't take it well. They thought he should take the crazy shots because he had the ability to make them.

Nope.

PS - I love the guy.

There's still just a lot of AAU to scrub off of him.

 

[Cyder91]

I think it was his choice. I think when CSP sent him to the wellness program last summer, there were stipulations along the line of
"if you come out of this program, behave, put your work in, commit to the team and stay out of trouble, then you have your chance to do great things. If you don't come back and do these things, it's your choice. The consequence of that is that your not going to see much playing time. If it continues, then we aren't going to be wasting a scholarship when someone who is more committed is willing to put the time and effort in."

I may have been on track with my above comment but after reading more posts and recalling past "incidents" and "discovery" of items, a good portion of his "choices" he made "recreationally" have something to do with moving on also!

 

[Urbandale2013]

Cam was probably on a shorter leash than Monte. Similar to Jason Berryman, back in the day. He had zero strikes left; he was cited for underage just a couple of weeks shy of his 21st birthday and he was gone.

Lard would have been 21 if it was the one game suspension. I’ve long held the belief that Lard was just mishandled. I can’t figure out which way though. If he was on his 3rd strike or more that would show to much leniency. If someone isn’t getting it at that point it is time for a fresh start for both sides. With that said I think there is a decent chance some of the rules that Prohm has are to strict. Say we play Monday and Saturday. There is no reason that players who are 21 shouldn’t be able to go to a bar on Tuesday.

We are a state school with a major program. We don’t need the morality police creating rules. I’m by no means defending Lard because he would have known the rules and should have followed them. He would deserve the punishment for that aspect. That said the rule maybe needs to be addressed. If there is a rule of no bars during the season I think that is a problem.

Personally I think Prohm falls into the trap of having strict rules and not properly enforcing them. Prohms job is to make better men too but not at the expense of the team. If someone is being a problem cut them loose and direct them to someone who can help them get their life together.

 

[Cydkar]

There's still just a lot of AAU to scrub off of him.

I think the end of the year struggles will be a godsend for him.

 

[Cydkar]

Lard would have been 21 if it was the one game suspension. I’ve long held the belief that Lard was just mishandled. I can’t figure out which way though. If he was on his 3rd strike or more that would show to much leniency. If someone isn’t getting it at that point it is time for a fresh start for both sides. With that said I think there is a decent chance some of the rules that Prohm has are to strict. Say we play Monday and Saturday. There is no reason that players who are 21 shouldn’t be able to go to a bar on Tuesday.

We are a state school with a major program. We don’t need the morality police creating rules. I’m by no means defending Lard because he would have known the rules and should have followed them. He would deserve the punishment for that aspect. That said the rule maybe needs to be addressed. If there is a rule of no bars during the season I think that is a problem.

Personally I think Prohm falls into the trap of having strict rules and not properly enforcing them. Prohms job is to make better men too but not at the expense of the team. If someone is being a problem cut them loose and direct them to someone who can help them get their life together.

I know for a fact that players have been at bars the night before a game. Lets just say that a certain relative of mine, by blood, was very disappointed to see that firsthand.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Lard would have been 21 if it was the one game suspension. I’ve long held the belief that Lard was just mishandled. I can’t figure out which way though. If he was on his 3rd strike or more that would show to much leniency. If someone isn’t getting it at that point it is time for a fresh start for both sides. With that said I think there is a decent chance some of the rules that Prohm has are to strict. Say we play Monday and Saturday. There is no reason that players who are 21 shouldn’t be able to go to a bar on Tuesday.

We are a state school with a major program. We don’t need the morality police creating rules. I’m by no means defending Lard because he would have known the rules and should have followed them. He would deserve the punishment for that aspect. That said the rule maybe needs to be addressed. If there is a rule of no bars during the season I think that is a problem.

Personally I think Prohm falls into the trap of having strict rules and not properly enforcing them. Prohms job is to make better men too but not at the expense of the team. If someone is being a problem cut them loose and direct them to someone who can help them get their life together.

Bar rules make sense to me during the season. And the rules need to be equitable. Let's just say that some players have better self-control than others, so it sucks to be the responsible players. I doubt there is a total ban on drinking, so private use if they are of age would probably not be punished. Sure, bar hopping is a part of many students' lives...but when you are a scholarship athlete you promise to abide by a different set of rules than the general student population. Some of those are things the athletes like: (team meals, tutoring, etc), some of them less so (staying out of bars during the season).
If a player is known for choosing substance use despite rules to the contrary, the hammer falls harder. And make no mistake about it - that player is choosing substance usage over teammates, whether it's drinking outside of team rules and legal age limits or using illegal substances.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Bar rules make sense to me during the season. And the rules need to be equitable. Let's just say that some players have better self-control than others, so it sucks to be the responsible players. I doubt there is a total ban on drinking, so private use if they are of age would probably not be punished. Sure, bar hopping is a part of many students' lives...but when you are a scholarship athlete you promise to abide by a different set of rules than the general student population. Some of those are things the athletes like: (team meals, tutoring, etc), some of them less so (staying out of bars during the season).
If a player is known for choosing substance use despite rules to the contrary, the hammer falls harder. And make no mistake about it - that player is choosing substance usage over teammates, whether it's drinking outside of team rules and legal age limits or using illegal substances.

No idea what the policy is, but if there are rules that allow a certain amount of that (bar hopping), I'd refer to them as privileges, which can be revoked if you've shown that you can't respect the boundaries.

 

[Urbandale2013]

I know for a fact that players have been at bars the night before a game. Lets just say that a certain relative of mine, by blood, was very disappointed to see that firsthand.

Bar rules make sense to me during the season. And the rules need to be equitable. Let's just say that some players have better self-control than others, so it sucks to be the responsible players. I doubt there is a total ban on drinking, so private use if they are of age would probably not be punished. Sure, bar hopping is a part of many students' lives...but when you are a scholarship athlete you promise to abide by a different set of rules than the general student population. Some of those are things the athletes like: (team meals, tutoring, etc), some of them less so (staying out of bars during the season).
If a player is known for choosing substance use despite rules to the contrary, the hammer falls harder. And make no mistake about it - that player is choosing substance usage over teammates, whether it's drinking outside of team rules and legal age limits or using illegal substances.

See this post right before yours. I won’t pretend to know all the answers or even what the current rules are.

I’ll just say this. Part of my frustration comes from there seems to be unclear standards. I’m certain they are much more clear to those associated with the team but as a fan it is frustrating to not understand what the problem is. Some of that is probably just not our business but it all comes down to do fans have faith the program is running correctly.

 

[bozclone]

My guess is that Cam struggles at his next stop too. This isn't a CSP problem or an Iowa State problem. Sometimes guys are more of a distraction than they are worth. We all knew he was a risk when he came to Iowa State. Time to let Conditt work his butt off and grow into that potential. Addition by subtraction in my eyes.

 

[Cydkar]

See this post right before yours. I won’t pretend to know all the answers or even what the current rules are.

I’ll just say this. Part of my frustration comes from there seems to be unclear standards. I’m certain they are much more clear to those associated with the team but as a fan it is frustrating to not understand what the problem is. Some of that is probably just not our business but it all comes down to do fans have faith the program is running correctly.

I have no clue what the rules are but being at a bar the night before a game doesn't seem to me like winning is goal #1. I should add that they were drinking.