Hesco barrier levee breaks-Downtown Davenport flooded

[Knownothing]

A couple to start

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-midwest-is-getting-drenched-and-its-causing-big-problems/

https://qctimes.com/news/local/midw...cle_0b5993d5-bf85-5729-b113-c71e836893d8.html

Ill just put this part of the article in here

Experts suspect climate change is behind this and other shifts in precipitation patterns. But knowing what’s causing an increase in precipitation and knowing what to do about it are two different issues.


So this is in fact, not a fact

 

[chuckd4735]

We are starting to regularly get rains in excess of 5" in northern Iowa. We've had 5-6 10"+ rains in the last 3 years.

I think that happened once in my entire life previously. The amount of rain we get, and the intensity in which it falls, have dramatically increased. The deluge style high-intensity/high-volume rains are a result of climate change.

Davenport's infrastructure failing may not be the result of climate change, but the constant flooding around the Midwest is heavily linked.

I dont disagree with this at all. Climate change is most definitely happening. The argument I understand is what is causing it. Is it caused by humans or if this is just a natural cycle of an earth that is over 4.5 billion years old?

 

[Knownothing]

Username always checks out.

He posted two articles. One said the experts don't know. The other one had a university of Iowa study. So maybe those experts need to talk to each other. Figure out the same page and get it going. Right now Floods are floods. Been around for ever. Like for ever and ever. So if you are going to link studys. Make sure the experts know for sure. Otherwise water is going to flood some place on earth. It always has and major floods have always happened. Always

 

[Knownothing]

Username always checks out.

Also, on the user name thing. So f'n lame man. Like come up with something new you idiot.

 

[Boxerdaddy]

Like most things, you can't point at one specific thing. There are multiple factors at play here which most of you have said.

1. Climate change IS real, which means we are having more frequent severe storms. Yes, we've always had severe storms, but this has increased their frequency. Which in turn increases the likelihood of compounding these effects on specific areas trying to drain this water.
2. More hardscapes, paving, tile, etc, meaning that water goes faster and in higher volume to drainage areas. Cities are requiring detention and retention ponds to help recharge the groundwater and slow the release, but where heavy rainfall inundates those areas, it hits the overflows and goes down the system in full force.

Combine those two and you can see why we've had increased flooding. Social media, etc, also makes it "feel" like it's worse as well because we have easier access to these events that may not have been on our radar, but that doesn't change the fact that these events are increasing.

 

[alarson]

Also, on the user name thing. So f'n lame man. Like come up with something new you idiot.

Maybe stop posting inane ******** then?

 

[Knownothing]

Maybe stop posting inane ******** then?

Maybe quit listening to the media and do your own research. How about that? I don't post insane stuff. I see that floods have happened for thousands of years, in fact if you are Christian read the bible. It might have a story about a flood. Google floods over the last 200 years. See if anything pops up instead of just going to the old "Climate change is causing it". You sound like a moron saying stupid stuff all the time and I don't really care if you have a bunch of other people saying the same thing. If you can prove to me that floods have never happened or have been way worse then fine. Right now as it stands, Population is spreading. Which means places that were not flooded before are flooded now because the drainage is different, people are living in places that used to have water to settle and now that water has to go somewhere. That has way more to do with flooding than climate change.

 

[alarson]

Maybe quit listening to the media and do your own research.

Oh man, the irony here.

How about that? I don't post insane stuff.

I said "Inane"
in·ane
/iˈnān/
adjective
silly; stupid.

I see that floods have happened for thousands of years, in fact if you are Christian read the bible. It might have a story about a flood. Google floods over the last 200 years.

Of course floods have happened before. The intensity and frequency of them, however, is another matter entirely. Using a book of fiction to justify anything in a talk of science is pretty interesting though.

See if anything pops up instead of just going to the old "Climate change is causing it". You sound like a moron saying stupid stuff all the time and I don't really care if you have a bunch of other people saying the same thing.

Guy who says "do your research" immediately dismisses actual research and opinions from the scientists most likely to know.

If you can prove to me that floods have never happened or have been way worse then fine.

No one was ever saying floods have never happened. It has been shown that it is getting worse and more frequent

 

[serverguy]

So historically the river has been at this level or close over the years. Where we blaming global warming in 1965? Its not like this is an all time high that has never been seen before.

 

[alenz95]

Oh man, the irony here.



I said "Inane"
in·ane
/iˈnān/
adjective
silly; stupid.



Of course floods have happened before. The intensity and frequency of them, however, is another matter entirely. Using a book of fiction to justify anything in a talk of science is pretty interesting though.



Guy who says "do your research" immediately dismisses actual research and opinions from the scientists most likely to know.



No one was ever saying floods have never happened. It has been shown that it is getting worse and more frequent

Why waste your time arguing with climate change truthers? If they wont accept what has become an academic consensus by this point, I am skeptical they ever will. You'll just end up in a circular argument of truthers either pointing to a bunch of hypothetical causes for the increased frequency of severe weather events, or alternatively face an argument of X weather event over 50 years ago proves that a high frequency over the last ten years must just mean nothing.

 

[Knownothing]

Oh man, the irony here.



I said "Inane"
in·ane
/iˈnān/
adjective
silly; stupid.



Of course floods have happened before. The intensity and frequency of them, however, is another matter entirely. Using a book of fiction to justify anything in a talk of science is pretty interesting though.



Guy who says "do your research" immediately dismisses actual research and opinions from the scientists most likely to know.



No one was ever saying floods have never happened. It has been shown that it is getting worse and more frequent

I did not dismiss research. The research that was put on this page said the experts are not sure. That means people who do that for a living are not sure. I even posted that out of the article.

 

[alarson]

So historically the river has been at this level or close over the years. Where we blaming global warming in 1965? Its not like this is an all time high that has never been seen before.

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Being such a controlled river the mississippi river levels may not be the best example (as those controls could be preventing things from being worse), but note how on the list of the top highest crests in the last 150 years, 6 of the top 8 (and now 7 of the top 9 with this flood) happened in the last ~25 years

 

[Al_4_State]

No. It is not heavily linked. At all. It's just not

Yes, it is. The climate is literally changing in front of our faces. Are you trying to say that 10" rains are normal and don't contribute significantly to flooding?

We went form 1993 to about 2008 without having many significant floods. Since 2008, it's pretty much annual that someplace within 500 miles of Des Moines gets absolutely ****** by flooding.

 

[VeloClone]

Please use this thread to discuss the flooding referenced in the thread title. Take arguments about climate change to the cave.

TIA.

 

[alarson]

I did not dismiss research. The research that was put on this page said the experts are not sure. That means people who do that for a living are not sure. I even posted that out of the article.

Actually the part you took out said they didnt know what to do about it, not that they don't think climate change is behind it.

 

[alarson]

Please use this thread to discuss the threading referenced in the thread title. Take arguments about climate change to the cave.

TIA.

Yes, lets definitely not discuss one of the contributors to events like this when discussing it.

 

[madguy30]

I dont disagree with this at all. Climate change is most definitely happening. The argument I understand is what is causing it. Is it caused by humans or if this is just a natural cycle of an earth that is over 4.5 billion years old?

I'm typically (modern day) left leaning on stuff but only thought in climate change is even if it's not human caused, there's not justification for openly polluting water and air.

 

[Walden4Prez]

Does the climate change? Duh.
Do people have an impact on the climate? Duh.
Does any scientist on either side of the argument have an agenda to push? Probably.
What is the answer? Don't know, it isn't an easy problem.

In my opinion 10,000 new laws and 10,000,000 more bureaucrats to enforce them isn't the answer.

Bureaucrats don't give 2 ***** about the climate but only ensuring the funding of their agency is maintained or increased every year.

 

[alenz95]

I just hope the flooding ends within the next few weeks. In a few weeks I'll be back for summer work and I was already dreading the construction induced traffic nightmare of commuting from Bettendorf to Davenport.

 

[madguy30]

Maybe quit listening to the media and do your own research. How about that? I don't post insane stuff. I see that floods have happened for thousands of years, in fact if you are Christian read the bible. It might have a story about a flood. Google floods over the last 200 years. See if anything pops up instead of just going to the old "Climate change is causing it". You sound like a moron saying stupid stuff all the time and I don't really care if you have a bunch of other people saying the same thing. If you can prove to me that floods have never happened or have been way worse then fine. Right now as it stands, Population is spreading. Which means places that were not flooded before are flooded now because the drainage is different, people are living in places that used to have water to settle and now that water has to go somewhere. That has way more to do with flooding than climate change.

Two key words there.

Just a story.