Lincoln coach to face possible charges for yelling

[khardbored]

Low participation doesn't excuse someone from being crappy at their job.

Kind of ironic in this day and age when everyone is concerned about player safety, there is so much support for an official that missed an obvious call on a dangerous hit.

Except it's not obvious from the angle of the ref. It's obvious from the camera angle, which is the exact opposite side. Remember, it's only a 5-man crew, the white-hat is the only one watching the QB. The defenders head is behind the QB. He sees a hit, has 1/4 second to assess what he saw. He made a mistake, sure. I agree, it should have been flagged for targeting. But it's a very difficult call to make (I don't personally know him or anyone involved).

I can almost guarantee you that the head ref from that game is beating himself up for missing that call.

If you are saying, for the sake of player safety we should move to 7-man crews for varsity games to get more coverage on this type of thing, I would agree with you there.

 

[beentherebefore]

The video to me seems to show that there should have been a penalty called. Nothing wrong with the coach arguing the call, but he must have said enough to warrant his own resignation after 15 years.

Man, people do seem to get more fired up over things than they used to.

 

[riceville98]

But all I was saying was, 'You are going to get my son killed out here.' I wasn't very happy with the call."

Sure that’s all you said buddy....

Then he admits later to using profanity so that's clearly not "all he said"

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Then maybe Jason Garrett should resign from the Cowboys after he yelled something to the ref and got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty. Seems Jerry is OK with the profanity, so be it that its the NFL and not high school. I don't think any ref should have to deal with profanity at any level.

I agree at this level the officials shouldn't have to deal with what they do at the professional level. However, the circumstances here....the dad/son relationship...the launch at the helmet sort of throws all that out the window. The Dowling kid had the angle, he could have wrapped him up easily and dropped him for a loss. He didn't, was looking to hurt someone and should have been penalized for it. I know it's only HS and officials here are not at the level of the NCAA or NFL. But this was out in the open for everyone to see. It wasn't difficult. And dad being dad.......well, here we are.

 

[Clonefan32]

I agree at this level the officials shouldn't have to deal with what they do at the professional level. However, the circumstances here....the dad/son relationship...the launch at the helmet sort of throws all that out the window. The Dowling kid had the angle, he could have wrapped him up easily and dropped him for a loss. He didn't, was looking to hurt someone and should have been penalized for it. I know it's only HS and officials here are not at the level of the NCAA or NFL. But this was out in the open for everyone to see. It wasn't difficult. And dad being dad.......well, here we are.

I'm surprised he didn't go after Dowling's coaches too. If your kids are out there doing that in what I presume was a blowout...there's just no need for that.

 

[isufbcurt]

Even a parent at a Little League game having a profanity laced melt down with a volunteer umpire? The line has to be drawn somewhere.

I agree a parent at a little league game shouldn't be doing this. But a high school coach who happens to also be a parent is different than little league.

 

[cybychoice]

It was a 61 - 7 game in favor of Dowling. Very well could have been a 3rd string kid trying to make a name for himself from Dowling, without knowing when it happened in the game its hard to say. I really doubt the Dowling coaches are out there coaching their kids to hit that way, and if they are shame on them.

 

[Clonefan32]

Except it's not obvious from the angle of the ref. It's obvious from the camera angle, which is the exact opposite side. Remember, it's only a 5-man crew, the white-hat is the only one watching the QB. The defenders head is behind the QB. He sees a hit, has 1/4 second to assess what he saw. He made a mistake, sure. I agree, it should have been flagged for targeting. But it's a very difficult call to make (I don't personally know him or anyone involved).

I can almost guarantee you that the head ref from that game is beating himself up for missing that call.

If you are saying, for the sake of player safety we should move to 7-man crews for varsity games to get more coverage on this type of thing, I would agree with you there.

I think the difference of opinion here rests in the nature of the penalty. If the coach loses his mind because he felt his kid was held, or there was pass interference, etc. and there was no call, then it's absurd for him to lose his mind like that. But when it's a penalty for the type of hit that could get your kid hurt, paralyzed or even killed, I think he has a right to sound off like that. At some point you aren't acting as a coach anymore, you're acting as a concerned parent. And if you see your kid take a cheap shot like that and see a ref who fails to do anything about it, I can't fault you for getting mad.

 

[isufbcurt]

I think the difference of opinion here rests in the nature of the penalty. If the coach loses his mind because he felt his kid was held, or there was pass interference, etc. and there was no call, then it's absurd for him to lose his mind like that. But when it's a penalty for the type of hit that could get your kid hurt, paralyzed or even killed, I think he has a right to sound off like that. At some point you aren't acting as a coach anymore, you're acting as a concerned parent. And if you see your kid take a cheap shot like that and see a ref who fails to do anything about it, I can't fault you for getting mad.

Exactly. I wouldn't condone the coaches actions if it was over a missed offsides or holding. But everything we hear is "player safety" and it was an obvious and dangerous miss.

 

[BCClone]

I think the difference of opinion here rests in the nature of the penalty. If the coach loses his mind because he felt his kid was held, or there was pass interference, etc. and there was no call, then it's absurd for him to lose his mind like that. But when it's a penalty for the type of hit that could get your kid hurt, paralyzed or even killed, I think he has a right to sound off like that. At some point you aren't acting as a coach anymore, you're acting as a concerned parent. And if you see your kid take a cheap shot like that and see a ref who fails to do anything about it, I can't fault you for getting mad.

Is dropping a flag enough? My son last year took a helmet to the back on a running start after the whistle. Ref dropped a flag, other coach didn’t even pull the kid for a play. Too many coaches let too much crap happen. I yelled for 10 seconds but not much I could do if the other coach had no issue. Son was ok so I calmed down since I was more concerned with his health than what a ref was doing.

My concern was heightened due to him missing the year before with an ACL year.

Some coaches coach crap things. Sons coach was only coach in the area coaching blind side blocks on punt returns. A lot of other kids were hurt on that. I called out the coach a few times but he would deny or play dumb. The kids said they were told to headhunt on those plays.

 

[Knownothing]

I think the difference of opinion here rests in the nature of the penalty. If the coach loses his mind because he felt his kid was held, or there was pass interference, etc. and there was no call, then it's absurd for him to lose his mind like that. But when it's a penalty for the type of hit that could get your kid hurt, paralyzed or even killed, I think he has a right to sound off like that. At some point you aren't acting as a coach anymore, you're acting as a concerned parent. And if you see your kid take a cheap shot like that and see a ref who fails to do anything about it, I can't fault you for getting mad.

This. Also it was out in the open and an easy penalty.

 

[ISUTex]

The Dowling player should be suspended. Period. I can't believe the ref didn't see that.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

It was a 61 - 7 game in favor of Dowling. Very well could have been a 3rd string kid trying to make a name for himself from Dowling, without knowing when it happened in the game its hard to say. I really doubt the Dowling coaches are out there coaching their kids to hit that way, and if they are shame on them.

It's been a few harvest moons but when I played, like I said in a previous post, "spearing" was what it was called. We were taught not to do that because one.....break your neck and two....15 yard penalty and getting benched the rest of the game. Not the officials ejecting you..but the coach benching you. Why.........because form tackling is what we practiced. Not spearing. Now thanks to social media, maybe your theory of a bench rider trying to make a name for himself on his facebook page might be true. If so, and if the coaches are truly teaching their players not to do that....then that players season should be over. And if not....well maybe the Dowling coaches are a win at all cost type of people and like you said.....shame on them

 

[Clonefan32]

Is dropping a flag enough? My son last year took a helmet to the back on a running start after the whistle. Ref dropped a flag, other coach didn’t even pull the kid for a play. Too many coaches let too much crap happen. I yelled for 10 seconds but not much I could do if the other coach had no issue. Son was ok so I calmed down since I was more concerned with his health than what a ref was doing.

My concern was heightened due to him missing the year before with an ACL year.

Some coaches coach crap things. Sons coach was only coach in the area coaching blind side blocks on punt returns. A lot of other kids were hurt on that. I called out the coach a few times but he would deny or play dumb. The kids said they were told to headhunt on those plays.

Totally agree and that's why I feel some of this is misplaced anger. More important than a penalty I hope that Dowling's coaches pulled him, reamed his *** and don't plan on playing him again until he can exhibit he won't tackle like an idiot.

 

[Remo Gaggi]

That looked more like a "head butt" to me, which should have resulted in an ejection. I have to side with pops here, I'd be angry if that was my son.

As an aside, Laura Terrell is quite attractive, don't you think?

 

[Urbandale2013]

Except it's not obvious from the angle of the ref. It's obvious from the camera angle, which is the exact opposite side. Remember, it's only a 5-man crew, the white-hat is the only one watching the QB. The defenders head is behind the QB. He sees a hit, has 1/4 second to assess what he saw. He made a mistake, sure. I agree, it should have been flagged for targeting. But it's a very difficult call to make (I don't personally know him or anyone involved).

I can almost guarantee you that the head ref from that game is beating himself up for missing that call.

If you are saying, for the sake of player safety we should move to 7-man crews for varsity games to get more coverage on this type of thing, I would agree with you there.

Like I said your defending the official IMO is what breeds these outbursts. The apparent lack of accountability is part of the problem. Also to clarify volunteers are a different scenario. There is really no excuse to miss that call. To often I think we are focused on the letter of the law with these player safety calls. When I was watching the NFL games yesterday there were some calls that IMO should have been a penalty because it was the type of play that leads to the dangerous play even if there wasn’t technical helmet to helmet contact. Then you have crap like the roughing the passer on the running quarterback for “contact” to the head.

It was a clear penalty and the official should face some repercussions for missing it. If he doesn’t we are going to see more of these types of scenarios because people don’t have faith in the officials abilities to do their job.

 

[isufbcurt]

Like I said your defending the official IMO is what breeds these outbursts. The apparent lack of accountability is part of the problem. Also to clarify volunteers are a different scenario. There is really no excuse to miss that call. To often I think we are focused on the letter of the law with these player safety calls. When I was watching the NFL games yesterday there were some calls that IMO should have been a penalty because it was the type of play that leads to the dangerous play even if there wasn’t technical helmet to helmet contact. Then you have crap like the roughing the passer on the running quarterback for “contact” to the head.

It was a clear penalty and the official should face some repercussions for missing it. If he doesn’t we are going to see more of these types of scenarios because people don’t have faith in the officials abilities to do their job.

That might have been the single dumbest call I have ever seen.

 

[wxman1]

Like I said your defending the official IMO is what breeds these outbursts. The apparent lack of accountability is part of the problem. Also to clarify volunteers are a different scenario. There is really no excuse to miss that call. To often I think we are focused on the letter of the law with these player safety calls. When I was watching the NFL games yesterday there were some calls that IMO should have been a penalty because it was the type of play that leads to the dangerous play even if there wasn’t technical helmet to helmet contact. Then you have crap like the roughing the passer on the running quarterback for “contact” to the head.

It was a clear penalty and the official should face some repercussions for missing it. If he doesn’t we are going to see more of these types of scenarios because people don’t have faith in the officials abilities to do their job.

This. No denying it is hard but do your ******* job. The calls you make and don't make have an impact on the game which have an impact on careers at the HS level on up.

 

[iSUCylones]

For all you officiating experts commenting on here, here is the link to sign up. We need good officials to register and there seems to be a lot on here.

https://www.iahsaa.org/officials/

Missed calls, even obvious ones are going to happen. If you think any official chooses to miss a call, you are ignorant. These are people who give up their Friday nights for low pay to be screamed at. They do their best but as humans, mistakes will happen. Every game is filmed and can be reviewed by both the IHSAA and assignors. They are held accountable through post-season assignments and future assignments but I can guarantee most referee's biggest critics are themselves.

 

[Knownothing]

I doubt Dowling teaches this. They are not that type of coaches as far as I can tell.