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Sigmapolis said:
Said this before but I'll say it again --

The fact that Prohm won over Georges, Monté, Naz, Matt, and Deonte to the extent he did says all I need to know about the hands at the tiller of the program.
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Yup. And Prohm also didn't come in and completely change the program to fit his style. Sure he ran some of his own things, but he actually kept a ton of the offensive sets that Fred ran with them.
 
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Sigmapolis said:
This is why I generally think two things about the NCAA tournament --

You can easily construct a narrative to either overrate or underrate what you did in a tournament (e.g., Georges' broken foot, not having to play Purdue, etc.). Therefore, because it is all such a roll of a dice in a single-elimination format like that, I think you kind of have to "be what your record says you are." If you made the Sweet Sixteen, you made the Sweet Sixteen, you did not make the Final Four because you "should have" or "we would have, if XYZ happens differently." Nope, that is not how this works.

We overrate the NCAA tournament for determining a program's level of success throughout the season. I like to take a more holistic approach of their overall record, conference record, record in big games/wins over high-quality teams, and in discreet accomplishments such as winning their preseason tournament, the conference regular season championship, or the conference tournament. Success in the NCAA tournament is nice, even defining for many teams as a failure or success, but it is not the alpha and the omega. I can only be so disappointed if we at least make it in the first place, and the true secret to success seems to be having as many swings at the piñata as possible.
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Interesting that you throw your hands up and take a simpleton approach on the tournament, while also promoting taking a wholistic on the season. Injuries, matchups, and coaching all factor into tournament success. It’s hard to quantify and can be random or luck, which undoubtedly makes people uncomfortable.


Very, very few don’t take a wholistic approach to the season. Most heavily weight the tournament, which makes sense give that’s what determines the national champion. The tournament grade should dwarf any other factor.
 
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FinalFourCy said:
Interesting that you throw your hands up and take a simpleton approach on the tournament, while also promoting taking a wholistic on the season. Injuries, matchups, and coaching all factor into tournament success. It’s hard to quantify and can be random or luck, which undoubtedly makes people uncomfortable.


Very, very few don’t take a wholistic approach to the season. Most heavily weight the tournament, which makes sense give that’s what determines the national champion. The tournament grade should dwarf any other factor.
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You can also look at it both ways and know that you had a great overall season but played poorly in the NCAA tournament. The 2017-2018 season for Virginia is exactly that. Virginia lost two games going into the NCAA tournament, won the ACC outright while also winning the ACC tournament. They then lost to UMBC in the first round. Was that a terrible season? Absolutely not. Devastating and inexcusable loss against UMBC? Absolutely.
 
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FinalFourCy said:
Interesting that you throw your hands up and take a simpleton approach on the tournament, while also promoting taking a wholistic on the season. Injuries, matchups, and coaching all factor into tournament success. It’s hard to quantify and can be random or luck, which undoubtedly makes people uncomfortable.


Very, very few don’t take a wholistic approach to the season. Most heavily weight the tournament, which makes sense give that’s what determines the national champion. The tournament grade should dwarf any other factor.
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I think we have the same approach but probably weigh things differently.

You are free to weigh the NCAA tournament as the preeminent test of a team or have it just "first among equals," but I probably rate it as less important than you simply because it is frankly so random in its outcomes for a plethora of reasons.

I like to say the conference tournament is most important --

That is where we are generally the most successful.

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Kurttr said:
Do you really believe this? Continuing to live this dream, and I do mean, dream - that Fred's teams really accomplished more than they did, due to injuries, unfortunate circumstances, UAB,... - is why some folks can't be happy with any subsequent coach. Do you also feel let down by Campbell, because he didn't win the conference championships and have the top 10 finishes that McCarney essentially won?

It was great to have Fred here, and I wish he'd never left as well. But, those "should ofs" didn't happen - two Final Four appearances! C'mon.
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The Fred ball washers are here to make sure that things like uab. and baylor at home when in control of their own destiny for conference, are always minimized
 
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Statefan10 said:
It also put a lot of players into tough scenarios regarding their own future. Guys like Georges and Monte were thinking about leaving early and others could've been thinking about transferring. It threw a huge wrench into the team chemistry. Luckily Jamie found a guy that the guys really liked and got them all to stay.
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Impossible. Prohm is quite possibly the worst coach in the power 5. I mean we are in the dark days of cyclone basketball again. Like ken trickey bad.
 
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Cheatham is their best player right now.

PRPG! = 2.7
ORTG = 112
TS% = 63.3%
3% = 35.7%

But I believe he is done after this year.

Not sure they have much for cavalry comin'.
 
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