INSTANT REACTION: Iowa 84, Iowa State 68

[jsb]

Have to get the best players on the floor and stop making it so complicated. Young and conditt need to play together and they need to play slower at times. There aren’t 4 guards that can play on this team, so you gotta steal minutes here and there

two weeks ago this board was ******** about not playing 4 guards.

not sure playing slow on a team that can’t shoot is a good idea.

I agree on conditt and solo. But let’s not act like conditt isn’t getting plenty of time.

 

[CascadeClone]

I still stand by Coach Prohm. Sucks we lost, but this is just a knee-jerk reaction over a rivalry loss.

Not entirely. Prohm has his strengths and weaknesses. But as someone noted in another thread - 12-11 against P5 the last couple years AT HOME? That's shocking. It does feel like his teams have gotten worse every year, in terms of quality and strength.

I think the guy is a great recruiter and good developer of guards. But as far as strategy and tactics and X&Os? Really bad. That is not a new thing, they have looked totally lost at times for the past few years. But last's night loss to a good-but-not-great Iowa team - a loss in which ISU was at no time really in the game at all - hammers it home.

 

[CyCloned]

This board is going to be so awful for the next 10 days.

for the people clambering for a lineup change, what good would it do? They all suck at shooting.

I had to sit next to an old lady wearing an Iowa state shirt cheering for Iowa. She made my night miserable before the game started. Hopefully I made her miserable.

This is what bothers me the most. Nixon we knew was an average shooter, Young, yeah not expecting to get 6 3s a game out of him either. But there are a lot of guys on this team that were at least serviceable shooters last year, wherever they were, and now they just suck. Makes me wonder if these guys are just lighting it up in practice and then fall on their faces i the games. I saw a couple guys pretty confidently fire up 3s 2-3 feet behind the line with plenty of time on the shot clock last night. Clearly they think they can make those shots. Just a hard thing to watch after years of having teams that could shoot their way out of a hole.

Clearly ISU lost a lot of firepower last year, and so far this season shooting has been bad to really bad. Not sure what they can do other than start making shots. It isn't like it is just one or two guys missing, everyone is just throwing up bricks.

 

[cyclone4L]

From the day he was hired, I was a Prohm guy. I believed in him and I would ride with him.

Watching this team broke me. This is a team that a good coach take and find a way to make it work. There is no evidence of that happening or that it will happen.

3 EASY AND OBVIOUS FIXES THAT ANY COACH WOULD MAKE:

1. Start Conditt. He's been our best big man scorer and shot blocker and there's no debate. He adds energy and we SEVERELY lack that at the beginning of every game.

2. Haliburton leads the team. Is he an off-ball point guard? Is he a non-shooting shooting guard? This has the knock on him not only by the fans, but nba scouts as well. He's too bloody passive. When Monte was on the floor (disclude Kane's year), he was the commander. He was always the one in control of the game. Prohm needs to tell him that he needs to command the floor with ball in hand and dictate the offense. That's what lottery picks do....

3. ACTUALLY RUN AN OFFENSE. Wanna know why we go down big early every game? Here's why.

The other team comes into the game with a gameplan and a set of plays they are going to run to start the game. We don't do that. Do we even have a playbook? If yes, where is the play that has Jacobson shooting threes? Where is the play that has Nixon shooting contested threes after he holds the ball for 3 seconds? Where is the play that has Bolton shooting wild floaters. This teams inability to shoot is highlighted because Prohm doesn't set them up to have easy baskets.

In the Seton Hall game, we were up big and Prohm didn't have a play to inbound the ball. Prohm, don't make me swear on cyclonefanatic....

All of these issues have been issues in the teams for the past few years, whether we are winning or losing. Last night, I jumped off the Prohm train.

Thank you Iowa. You finally broke me.

 

[CascadeClone]

All of these issues have been issues in the teams for the past few years, whether we are winning or losing. Last night, I jumped off the Prohm train.

Me too.

 

[Cyched]

This helped me out last night.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/high-functioning-alcoholic

 

[CyHans]

WHO just lapping this up.

Dakich was too. If it wasn't for the delay I would have turned down the tv and listened to the radio.

 

[isufbcurt]

Have to get the best players on the floor and stop making it so complicated. Young and conditt need to play together and they need to play slower at times. There aren’t 4 guards that can play on this team, so you gotta steal minutes here and there

Young and Conditt can't play together because neither can guard a 4.

 

[tim_redd]

The #1 skill in basketball is shooting the ball. We used to have teams where everyone could shoot. Even the guys off the bench. That's why those teams were good. Now we have a team with no one capable of shooting. It's not gonna change this year, outside of an outlier like the Alabama game. This team needs to figure out it's identity quickly, or we are going to waste the talents of a lottery pick.

 

[Boxerdaddy]

I don't have the exact numbers in front of me but feels like we shot about 7% last night. Surely there are some guys at the rec center we can recruit who can hit with a better clip than that. Just ugly ugly ugly offense.

 

[Cyfan1965]

 

[CyHans]

I still stand by Coach Prohm. Sucks we lost, but this is just a knee-jerk reaction over a rivalry loss.

I'm still standing with Prohm too but he has to find a way to motivate the guys to play hard. They looked like they were shell shocked the entire first half. Then they found some confidence when they got it to 7 but then Iowa answered with a 3 and they were done.

 

[AuH2O]

two weeks ago this board was ******** about not playing 4 guards.

not sure playing slow on a team that can’t shoot is a good idea.

I agree on conditt and solo. But let’s not act like conditt isn’t getting plenty of time.

Agree - this team is at its best playing fast. It's a very good transition offense team and very bad half court offensive team.

My view on this team is largely the same thing with last years team. I don't think there's some major schematic problem or change that needs to take place. There is a lack of executing basic, simple things consistently. And it isn't one guy, and it isn't one or two specific things. Their double teams were horribly executed last night. Just sloppy as hell. Guys not waiting for screens before the take off, guys not using screens, guys dishing to our bigs diving on the PnR right into a help defender right there in position, turning and watching the shot on defense and not putting a body on anybody.

Some of this happened in previous years too, but I suppose this year it is magnified due to the lack of shooting. While some guys are just better at executing the details, it's been a broad enough problem that it is on Prohm and the staff to get this figured out. I get it, it's not an easy thing to do. You don't want guys playing scared or thinking too much, but you got to have them executing simple things with consistency.

There's not much else to say about this game. Hats off to Iowa. They are a better team. They are far more skilled, and execute at a much higher level. Garza is incredible and absolutely a guy you can build a winning team around provided you have a bunch of other solid guys that know their roles and play within them. That's exactly what Iowa has and does.

 

[cyclonessiouxcounty]

The lack of effort, hustle, and grit was the most concerning part to me

 

[CyHans]

it's hard to discuss with out people thinking it's knee jerk or a result of one game, etc...

the thing is, Coach Prohm has been using the same lines post-game for years now. Things about toughness, not executing, not playing defense...these are his areas. How are our players not up for this game. How do they not want it more. WTF is that all about?

I realize the kids play the game but IMO, we continue to be out coached regularly. Our offense is wandering and lost, our defense is terrible and for yet another year, we have ZERO on-court leadership like we've had in the past.

Come at me all you want. I truly like Steve Prohm. He's a class guy and I think he's a good recruiter...but I have yet to see him put a game plan together or show a lasting execution for any of his teams.

He either needs to hire someone to help him or I fear this is going to be the constant for us. And for as much as we all can't stand Fran, his guys play in a "system" and it works for them. They aren't more athletic, but they are a better "team" and it showed last night.

Good post! But I do think we've played better D this year. The offense is abysmal! I get tired of seeing one guy dribble around and chuck a 25 ft off balance 3 while the other 4 guys just stand and watch. When they move the ball around and wait for the open shot they look pretty good.

 

[CyHans]

Not entirely. Prohm has his strengths and weaknesses. But as someone noted in another thread - 12-11 against P5 the last couple years AT HOME? That's shocking. It does feel like his teams have gotten worse every year, in terms of quality and strength.

I think the guy is a great recruiter and good developer of guards. But as far as strategy and tactics and X&Os? Really bad. That is not a new thing, they have looked totally lost at times for the past few years. But last's night loss to a good-but-not-great Iowa team - a loss in which ISU was at no time really in the game at all - hammers it home.

Hoiberg brought in Bobby Lutz as an assistant to help with strategy and I see he's with him again at Neb. Prohm might be able to use an experienced ex head coach who is a pure stategist to sit on the bench with him.

 

[chuckd4735]

Not entirely. Prohm has his strengths and weaknesses. But as someone noted in another thread - 12-11 against P5 the last couple years AT HOME? That's shocking. It does feel like his teams have gotten worse every year, in terms of quality and strength.

I think the guy is a great recruiter and good developer of guards. But as far as strategy and tactics and X&Os? Really bad. That is not a new thing, they have looked totally lost at times for the past few years. But last's night loss to a good-but-not-great Iowa team - a loss in which ISU was at no time really in the game at all - hammers it home.

The fact that we have an above .500 record at home after the season we had back in 17-18 says more to me that Hilton Magic is far from dead then anything. That team was very bad.

 

[Baseline23]

Agree - this team is at its best playing fast. It's a very good transition offense team and very bad half court offensive team.

My view on this team is largely the same thing with last years team. I don't think there's some major schematic problem or change that needs to take place. There is a lack of executing basic, simple things consistently. And it isn't one guy, and it isn't one or two specific things. Their double teams were horribly executed last night. Just sloppy as hell. Guys not waiting for screens before the take off, guys not using screens, guys dishing to our bigs diving on the PnR right into a help defender right there in position, turning and watching the shot on defense and not putting a body on anybody.

Some of this happened in previous years too, but I suppose this year it is magnified due to the lack of shooting. While some guys are just better at executing the details, it's been a broad enough problem that it is on Prohm and the staff to get this figured out. I get it, it's not an easy thing to do. You don't want guys playing scared or thinking too much, but you got to have them executing simple things with consistency.

There's not much else to say about this game. Hats off to Iowa. They are a better team. They are far more skilled, and execute at a much higher level. Garza is incredible and absolutely a guy you can build a winning team around provided you have a bunch of other solid guys that know their roles and play within them. That's exactly what Iowa has and does.

This is everything in a nutshell.

 

[MartyFine]

Hoiberg brought in Bobby Lutz as an assistant to help with strategy and I see he's with him again at Neb. Prohm might be able to use an experienced ex head coach who is a pure stategist to sit on the bench with him.

What is David Hobbs' purpose on the bench? I'd be fine with giving LE a call if he isn't doing anything these days...

 

[Go2Guy]

This wasn't a one-off loss. This is the 3rd loss to McFran and JorBo and they were by double digits.
Some CF "experts" say this Iowa team was one of the worst P5 Defenses this year and their have no PGs who can dribble, or defend. and all we got to say is "SUPERBOWL" bbuubuwhahahhahahahahaha