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Kind of a messed up deal with my wife’s car right now. About 3-4K miles into her last oil change it started leaking oil out of the filter. We took it to a different shop to get the oil changed and now, about 600 miles before her oil change is due, it started leaking again.

What would cause an oil filter to leak, two changes in a row, 3-4K miles after the oil change?
 

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Kind of a messed up deal with my wife’s car right now. About 3-4K miles into her last oil change it started leaking oil out of the filter. We took it to a different shop to get the oil changed and now, about 600 miles before her oil change is due, it started leaking again.

What would cause an oil filter to leak, two changes in a row, 3-4K miles after the oil change?
If it's the spin-on style filter, sometimes the old rubber gaskets stick to the block. Then the new filter doesn't seal right.

If it's the cartridge style filter, it could be they forgot to install the o-ring that should have come with the new filter. Or just left the old o-ring on there.
 
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If it's the spin-on style filter, sometimes the old rubber gaskets stick to the block. Then the new filter doesn't seal right.

If it's the cartridge style filter, it could be they forgot to install the o-ring that should have come with the new filter. Or just left the old o-ring on there.
Came here to say both these things
 
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If it's the spin-on style filter, sometimes the old rubber gaskets stick to the block. Then the new filter doesn't seal right.

If it's the cartridge style filter, it could be they forgot to install the o-ring that should have come with the new filter. Or just left the old o-ring on there.

It’s a spin on style filter and that was my first thought. I just have a hard time believing that two different shops would miss this. Especially after bringing it in the second time for this problem. I guess it’s a possibility though. I didn’t pull the filter because changing oil sucks.
 

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It’s a spin on style filter and that was my first thought. I just have a hard time believing that two different shops would miss this. Especially after bringing it in the second time for this problem. I guess it’s a possibility though. I didn’t pull the filter because changing oil sucks.
Yeah, but shops usually put the least experienced people on oil changes and tell them to turn them around as fast as they can. Or maybe they didnt get them quite tight enough, and over 3k to 4k miles they loosen enough to leak. I agree it would be rare to have it happen twice on the same car, but you never know.
 
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A number of people complain about all of the electronics in cars nowadays, but it's not all negative. Cars are pretty good about telling you what is wrong. On a '79 Olds, fixing things may have been relatively simple, but figuring out what was wrong could be a chore with lots of rabbit holes. The rabbit holes still exist, but you're more likely to end up on the right path. Most of the time, the computer tells you what is wrong and you fix it. On old cars, you had to figure out what was wrong.

Given your specific example, the solution probably is to replace the O2 sensor. They're cheap, and if they're easy enough to get to, you replace it for $25 and see if there are additional problems. Chances are, $25 and an hour later, your problem is gone.
I'm a reliability engineer in the heavy duty auto industry and we spend tens of millions of dollars in warranty every year for dealerships to replace parts that aren't broke.

I will grant you that some things have gotten easier as we've replaced vacuum and oil pressure actuated mechanisms with electric ones. But that's also introduced some new problems as now you have to trace circuits everywhere to find shorts, or worse, try to diagnose a CAN error.
 

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Kind of a messed up deal with my wife’s car right now. About 3-4K miles into her last oil change it started leaking oil out of the filter. We took it to a different shop to get the oil changed and now, about 600 miles before her oil change is due, it started leaking again.

What would cause an oil filter to leak, two changes in a row, 3-4K miles after the oil change?

Have you just tried giving it a twist to see if it will reseal?
 

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Have you just tried giving it a twist to see if it will reseal?

Yes, it would only hand tighten about another inch or so. I put the car up and verified where it was leaking from. I tightened it up and ran the car some more but there were new drips on the cardboard after letting it run.

It actually seemed overtightened from the last change, which also could be a problem. I just feel like there’s more to it than that since it was fine for 4,000 miles for the last two oil changes.
 

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Yes, it would only hand tighten about another inch or so. I put the car up and verified where it was leaking from. I tightened it up and ran the car some more but there were new drips on the cardboard after letting it run.

It actually seemed overtightened from the last change, which also could be a problem. I just feel like there’s more to it than that since it was fine for 4,000 miles for the last two oil changes.

Well take it to a full mechanic that you trust an let him do the next oil change and check it out. The gasket idea seems pretty probable to me.
 

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Just put a piece of electrical tape over the check engine light problem solved.
 

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