Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[BCClone]

Worth a listen
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus-medical-supplies-shortages.html

What I found surprising listening to Cuomo's presser Saturday is that he said he is taking 20% of what the outside NYC hospitals had in unneeded (not currently not being used but what they determined they wouldn't end up needing at other hospitals in NY) and are diverting them to NYC. That total was 500, which means that hospitals in NY were sitting on 2500 ventilators that they didn't think they would need and just let them sit until someone in the Governors office said we are sequestering 20% of them for emergency needs in NYC.

That podcast is very similar to the article I read. Lays out that there isn't just one place to point a finger but it is something that caught many off guard and the gov't was it's typical slow and inefficient self in the process. Also, that interview guy is awful, he talks about three words a minute.

 

[alarson]

What is your opinion on the ventilator issue? In 2007 the gov't looked at issues from (was it SARS then or something else, can't remember the exact and I forget what the article said) the current medical pandemic and the assembled medical team said we needed to ramp up the ventilator situation and stockpile. 2008 they had decided what they wanted (a smaller more condensed ventilator that would be easy to transport) and decided they needed around 20,000 of these. We still don't have them. 11-12 years from when everything got ironed out and wheels set in motion, and somehow a bunch of people dropped this. This is a problem that was noticed in 2007 and addressed in 2008 but apparently somewhere, somebody dropped the ball.

So this was supposed to be fixed 10 years before your 2017 timeframe but nothing happened. Why?

They tried. They had a hard time getting enough funding approved. (i'd say more on that, but it'd probably violate thread rules). They had a plan in place to make it work with less funding. The company they were working with got bought out by another company that had a financial interest in shutting that down as they already sold ventilators for a higher price. The project fell apart.

 

[BCClone]

They tried. They had a hard time getting enough funding approved. (i'd say more on that, but it'd probably violate thread rules). They had a plan in place to make it work with less funding. The company they were working with got bought out by another company that had a financial interest in shutting that down as they already sold ventilators for a higher price. The project fell apart.

Who is they I want to know. Not going politics, but each party had control at sometime over that period so it can't be a partisan finger point on funding.

 

[alarson]

Who is they I want to know. Not going politics, but each party had control at sometime over that period so it can't be a partisan finger point on funding.

I would disagree, but that's about as far as i can go with that in this thread i think.

 

[BCClone]

I would disagree, but that's about as far as i can go with that in this thread i think.

If you can't agree on that, that just shows me you are a finger pointer and I will put very little stock into what you say. That was a basic fact I laid out that you disagreed on. Have fun.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Not sure I understand the reasoning behind keeping people out of parks (these types of parks), unless there simply isn’t a way for people to avoid coming in contact with each other there. We drove around saylorville on Sunday and there were some entrances that were closed off however at least one that was open and was a zoo. At each of the closed ones there were a handful of vehicles parked like that though.

They closed the most popular state park in OH because it’s impossible to maintain social distancing on the hiking trails that lead to all of the destinations (cave, waterfalls, gorge bridge). If you’ve ever been hiking in the mountains/hills you know that many spots if you run in to someone going the opposite direction there’s nothing to do except to squeeze through or go back a 1/2 mile. It’s a better safe than sorry play.

 

[alarson]

If you can't agree on that, that just shows me you are a finger pointer and I will put very little stock into what you say. That was a basic fact I laid out that you disagreed on. Have fun.

Wrong.

 

[simply1]

If you can't agree on that, that just shows me you are a finger pointer and I will put very little stock into what you say. That was a basic fact I laid out that you disagreed on. Have fun.

In this case I think it depends on whether you believe the government in that the company shut it down to avoid a cheaper alternative, or the company who said it was government fault. I wouldn’t mind an independent investigation to look at corporate mismanagement or government mismanagement. Either way.

 

[simply1]

They closed the most popular state park in OH because it’s impossible to maintain social distancing on the hiking trails that lead to all of the destinations (cave, waterfalls, gorge bridge). If you’ve ever been hiking in the mountains/hills you know that many spots if you run in to someone going the opposite direction there’s nothing to do except to squeeze through or go back a 1/2 mile. It’s a better safe than sorry play.

Good luck explaining this to @Urbandale2013 .

 

[BCClone]

In this case I think it depends on whether you believe the government in that the company shut it down to avoid a cheaper alternative, or the company who said it was government fault. I wouldn’t mind an independent investigation to look at corporate mismanagement or government mismanagement. Either way.

That is a peeing match that should be checked out.

The statement that I responded to was about funding was not provided. I mentioned that each party had full control of both chambers and the Pres for a period of time. Therefore each dropped the ball and you can't make it partisan. I don't want to go too much farther in order to avoid cave situations. I felt my second sentence in this paragraph was fact, i was told it was not.

 

[simply1]

That is a peeing match that should be checked out.

The statement that I responded to was about funding was not provided. I mentioned that each party had full control of both chambers and the Pres for a period of time. Therefore each dropped the ball and you can't make it partisan. I don't want to go too much farther in order to avoid cave situations. I felt my second sentence in this paragraph was fact, i was told it was not.

I guess I see it as an implementation issue, not a funding issue at all.

 

[BCClone]

I guess I see it as an implementation issue, not a funding issue at all.

That's more where I see it. It looks like there were issues along the way with the company they had chosen and seems to be typical government contracts that don't have much teeth in them to hold the companies accountable. I don't see a place to blame it on funding one bit at all.

 

[Acylum]

 

[NorthCyd]

They closed the most popular state park in OH because it’s impossible to maintain social distancing on the hiking trails that lead to all of the destinations (cave, waterfalls, gorge bridge). If you’ve ever been hiking in the mountains/hills you know that many spots if you run in to someone going the opposite direction there’s nothing to do except to squeeze through or go back a 1/2 mile. It’s a better safe than sorry play.

Just that park or all parks? Also have they closed churches yet? I'm just curious, not trying to start sh!t.

 

[Acylum]

 

[NorthCyd]

Jeez, they are talking about temporarily burying people in parks in NYC because the morgues are almost full and people still aren't taking it seriously out there.

 

[simply1]

Jeez, they are talking about temporarily burying people in parks in NYC because the morgues are almost full and people still aren't taking it seriously out there.

Just out there?

 

[NorthCyd]

Just out there?

No, it's everywhere. I just thought in the areas where massive amounts of people are dying at their doorstep people would be taking it more seriously.

 

[simply1]

 

[Acylum]

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...-iowa-joins-drug-trial-remdesivir/2958029001/