Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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bawbie

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If I told you that wearing either the N95 or the surgeon masks are a waste of time.....do you feel the need to "inherently" interject politics?

Yes, the entire topic is political - there's no separating it completely. But we can leave the overtly political and partisan attacks in the cave and still discuss things like mask effectiveness. The mods will decide where the line is and we ask that you respect our decisions. Or stay out. There's no point debating it.
 

MeowingCows

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If they are not serving their purpose then what's the point?
Simple question: are they reducing exposure to COVID in some way?

If they aren't reducing exposure in anyway way, then no, there isn't a point. If they are reducing exposure to some degree, even if it's not to a recommended level, that's still better than nothing at all. Right?
 

mynameisjonas

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If I told you that wearing either the N95 or the surgeon masks are a waste of time.....do you feel the need to "inherently" interject politics?
No the topic is completely not political. If you said masks are a waste of time you would just be factually incorrect I don’t see how that is political at all.
 

Dr.bannedman

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Yes, the entire topic is political - there's no separating it completely. But we can leave the overtly political and partisan attacks in the cave and still discuss things like mask effectiveness. The mods will decide where the line is and we ask that you respect our decisions. Or stay out. There's no point debating it.


make me a mod. all clean this place up
 

bawbie

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Well no.....the N95's allow more than the acceptable %5 of small virions to pass, and the surgeon masks do next to nothing in protecting the user from the environment.

As has been explained numerous times - the wearing of non-medical masks is to protect others from you potentially shedding the virus by preventing droplets from being expelled. It also has a small affect in terms of transferring virus from surfaces to your nose and mouth via your hands.

See this chart:

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Acylum

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So it's better to not wear them at all?
I’ve tried wearing one twice now. It’s basically a homemade surgical type, one set of ties at the top, another at the bottom. I found myself having to adjust it so often, necessitating me touching my face and/or the mask, that I decided I am personally better off not wearing one.
 

ClonesTwenty1

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Thank you. So that would be the equivalent of about $38,000 gross, which should help a lot of people as long as they actually receive the income.
They also get whatever the state is giving them for their weekly benefit amount. So state unemployment + federal help.
 

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Simple question: are they reducing exposure to COVID in some way?

If they aren't reducing exposure in anyway way, then no, there isn't a point. If they are reducing exposure to some degree, even if it's not to a recommended level, that's still better than nothing at all. Right?

Don't know the source but it makes sense to me.

BUT people will see it as taking away their freedoms, so politics.

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Cat Stevens

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Since you’re laughing at all my posts I decided to show ignored comments. Stating facts doesn’t say anything about me.


It actually does. You’re blaming the people that truly show what an actual farce the economy of the last few years has been.
 

aeroclone

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They also get whatever the state is giving them for their weekly benefit amount. So state unemployment + federal help.

I'm glad somebody pointed this out. I think the state average is around 400, but that varies quite a bit by state as well as your prior wages. But that leaves you on average at 1000 per week, the equivalent of 52k annually. That should allow people to make rent.

Where the problem seems to lie in my area is getting unemployment claims submitted and approved. The system is just swamped.
 

isufbcurt

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They also get whatever the state is giving them for their weekly benefit amount. So state unemployment + federal help.

Self-employed people aren't getting the state portion though.

I'll use my tattoo shop client as an example. The state shut down his 3 shops. As a self-employed person he is only eligible for the $600/week. That $600/week pays for one shop's rent and he is left to use "his own" money to pay the other 2 shops rent plus his home mortgage and everything like that while he is not allowed to work.
 

cycloneG

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I'm glad somebody pointed this out. I think the state average is around 400, but that varies quite a bit by state as well as your prior wages. But that leaves you on average at 1000 per week, the equivalent of 52k annually. That should allow people to make rent.

Where the problem seems to lie in my area is getting unemployment claims submitted and approved. The system is just swamped.

It's a problem everywhere. Only a small percentage of people that have filed claims are actually receiving benefits.
 

Urbandale2013

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That's the problem. Most are not which is why people need to be given leeway in paying rent and their mortgage.
While I think it’s important to give people leeway and stuff on rent and mortgages I’ve seen people suggesting landlords should just forgive these months. Sorry but that is bull crap. We should work out agreements with people to deal with these months.

This is another case of finding a middle ground.
 

cycloneG

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While I think it’s important to give people leeway and stuff on rent and mortgages I’ve seen people suggesting landlords should just forgive these months. Sorry but that is bull crap. We should work out agreements with people to deal with these months.

This is another case of finding a middle ground.

I definitely don't think rent should be forgiven. Payment plans need to be in the works.
 
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