COLUMN: How COVID-19 will change college football forever

Raiders70

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Yep and it takes a while to figure out how to do more and what's going to stick. Some tried to do too much too early and only made for more confusion and stress on already stressful situations.

This football situation is just another example of trying to figure out the logistics of how to make it happen and meaningful without hurting people.
Do you have confidence that if they open schools in August and then have to shut them down there will be a plan in place that school will continue with formal remote learning?
 

Gunnerclone

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Your argument is that people might die or get sick because of playing football.

People die and get sick from football already from playing football.

Why does the source of the illness or death matter?

It's not a straw man. In fact none of these have really been straw men. You could claim they are false analogies but not straw men.

Seriously holy **** dude, I know you have a brain. Is dying of Murder the same thing as dying of old age? It’s just a dead person either way, it’s the same on the COD fairness scale I guess.
 

ArgentCy

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Seeing what this has been over the last 9 weeks of the school year, it has been a complete disaster. If this was like this for five years, we would have a very big intellectual hole in our society.

Hmm... don't we already have that now?
 

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So you don’t think we will have a vaccine, ever? You don’t think we will have herd immunity, ever? Strong take.

Electric word life it means forever and that's a mighty long time .........................

When people merge with machines we will have conquered organic viruses. Then we will just have to deal with those pesky code viruses.
 

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Nice. Don't watch Fox News. What activities are acceptable for us to resume in your opinion? Because we will never have ZERO deaths from Covid 19.

Activities will be able to resume normally when the virus is contained. It is not contained. There's an illusion that it's contained. It is not.

Car collisions, other viruses, football equipment, football games, etc. have all had adjustments over the years made to lessen the impact and make things safer. So far the only way we've been able to lessen this virus is to stay away from each other.
 
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I wonder how many students would be willing to pay full tuition for online only at a school like Iowa State. Many students might just take the semester/year off until they can be back on campus.

I have a niece at ISU and even before Covid-19 she was taking online courses and actually liked the flexibility that provided.

I would agree a 100% online curriculum is not a good educational option for on campus colleges. But taking Psych 101, etc in an online environment is probably the new norm anyhow. Go forward maybe colleges will need 2 credit rates- one for in -person and the other for online classes.

IMO the on campus environment will always have a value and a great environment for teenagers mature into adulthood.

IMO the bigger concern should be from schools like DMACC.
 

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Another thing to think about is the now close to 40 million unemployed people in this country (doubt that number stops going up for awhile). They aren’t going to be spending money on CFB games or activities surrounding CFB and Not buying the products advertising on broadcasts.

I think the calculation looks like this: What is the likelihood that even just ONE CFB player contracts COVID from football activities and dies? The X factor is that we know there are guys out there that are compromised (undiagnosed heart issues anyone? Maybe ask Fred.)

if the answer to that question is anything over ZERO, then no playing. It’s one thing for Grandma to Die For The Dow, it’s another for a 19 year old kid to die for our entertainment and what amounts to a pin prick on an elephants ass in terms of the positive economic effects.

The risk of a bad injury is just as bad or worse, because it's more probable IMO. And yet they are still out there. Now if they could only be properly paid for the risks that they take, like the rest of the world.
 

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The risk of a bad injury is just as bad or worse, because it's more probable IMO. And yet they are still out there. Now if they could only be properly paid for the risks that they take, like the rest of the world.

But they choose to play for free so why pay them? Amirite?
 

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Seriously holy **** dude, I know you have a brain. Is dying of Murder the same thing as dying of old age? It’s just a dead person either way, it’s the same on the COD fairness scale I guess.
I feel your basing your narratives on this idea that we will develop this magical vaccine and then life can go back to normal. Do some research on why a viable vaccine probably can't work with viruses that replicate via RNA coding. We will have to live with the virus until it burns out on its own which may not happen for a very long time if ever.
 

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Do you have confidence that if they open schools in August and then have to shut them down there will be a plan in place that school will continue with formal remote learning?

Full confidence? Honestly, no. But that's because my experience is that school districts tend to talk around situations as to not ruffle too many feathers as opposed to getting right down to it. That goes for both ends of economic spectrums.

But some of the logistics of figuring out how to make sure internet is provided to everyone, and figuring out ways to track outcomes from lessons, etc. have the opportunity at least provided. They'd better figure it out, as eventually it's going to mean even administrative jobs being in jeopardy.

(My take is many of them should be working in the buildings anyway to actually contribute so maybe they'd like to experience what they're throwing out there, but that's a whole different deal.)
 

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Seriously holy **** dude, I know you have a brain. Is dying of Murder the same thing as dying of old age? It’s just a dead person either way, it’s the same on the COD fairness scale I guess.

No, but we're not comparing dying of murder and dying of old age, speaking of logical fallacies.

We're comparing the relative risk of dying or getting sick from playing football with COVID, versus the relative risk of dying or sicking of playing football without COVID. We know the risk is not zero without COVID.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-coronavirus-deaths/

As of this article 45 people under the age of 30 have died from COVID.

What we don't know: Do don't know the exact age of the people who died (were any of them 22 or younger?) we don't know their underlying health conditions, we don't know the quality of care they received early on, and we don't know the number of football players that would get COVID anyway even if they weren't playing.

Here's what we do know: They would be getting tested constantly and would be subject to the best health care possible while playing.

How we handle what happens when a player gets sick will likely be answered by the NBA very soon. They are in all likelihood coming back this summer. That's a big question that needs answered for sure.
 

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I feel your basing your narratives on this idea that we will develop this magical vaccine and then life can go back to normal. Do some research on why a viable vaccine probably can't work with viruses that replicate via RNA coding. We will have to live with the virus until it burns out on its own which may not happen for a very long time if ever.

I’m basing my argument on reality and facts. If this thing continues to kill people in this country by the hundreds and thousands on a daily basis then it’s not safe to play college football. I like CFB, I love ISU athletics, I know kids currently on the football team and their families. If one of them or ANY player or coach died or even recovered with potentially life long health consequences then playing a game isn’t worth it. It would be devastating. There have been sports seasons cancelled for far dumber and far less serious reasons than this pandemic. No one should be playing god with our future right now. It’s not time, but I hope the time comes when we can do things again like playing sports and watching sports em masse together. It’s been like 2 months, we’re stronger than this...I hope. My grandpa spent 4 years on an aircraft carrier (and a short time on a cruiser) in the Pacific during WW2, and my grandma spent 4 years at home with little communication from him. I’m tired of the weakness I see from people in this country. Might as well be French.
 

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No, but we're not comparing dying of murder and dying of old age, speaking of logical fallacies.

We're comparing the relative risk of dying or getting sick from playing football with COVID, versus the relative risk of dying or sicking of playing football without COVID. We know the risk is not zero without COVID.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-coronavirus-deaths/

As of this article 45 people under the age of 30 have died from COVID.

What we don't know: Do don't know the exact age of the people who died (were any of them 22 or younger?) we don't know their underlying health conditions, we don't know the quality of care they received early on, and we don't know the number of football players that would get COVID anyway even if they weren't playing.

Here's what we do know: They would be getting tested constantly and would be subject to the best health care possible while playing.

How we handle what happens when a player gets sick will likely be answered by the NBA very soon. They are in all likelihood coming back this summer. That's a big question that needs answered for sure.

No, that’s what YOU are talking about.
 

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Well, I think we are already polarized. I think we're going to have to split the stadium. West side must have masks and keep how ever far apart they choose. East side for those who want to crowd surf and high five everyone.
 

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No, that’s what YOU are talking about.

So clarify your position for me. It appears to me that your position is that if there is a non zero chance of one player dying from COVID, then football should be cancelled.

However, under normal circumstances it's basically guaranteed that at least one player will die from playing.

Why is it worse that somebody would die from COVID because they played football versus dying from injuries while playing football?
 

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I’m basing my argument on reality and facts. If this thing continues to kill people in this country by the hundreds and thousands on a daily basis then it’s not safe to play college football. I like CFB, I love ISU athletics, I know kids currently on the football team and their families. If one of them or ANY player or coach died or even recovered with potentially life long health consequences then playing a game isn’t worth it. It would be devastating. There have been sports seasons cancelled for far dumber and far less serious reasons than this pandemic. No one should be playing god with our future right now. It’s not time, but I hope the time comes when we can do things again like playing sports and watching sports em masse together. It’s been like 2 months, we’re stronger than this...I hope. My grandpa spent 4 years on an aircraft carrier (and a short time on a cruiser) in the Pacific during WW2, and my grandma spent 4 years at home with little communication from him. I’m tired of the weakness I see from people in this country. Might as well be French.

The bolded already can happen from playing football. It's incredibly unfortunate, and incredibly sad when it does, but people know and understand that risk and are willing to take it.

Why do you feel that if they know and understand the risk of that same thing potentially happening from a disease (that they have close to as much chance getting not playing) makes it worth cancelling season(s) for?

If there is a player that isn't willing to take that risk, then they dont have to play. I guarantee that there are plenty that are willing to take that risk however, and to deny them the opportunity to do so over fear of the unknown is just dumb.
 

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