Attendance policy from JP...

[alarson]

Just step back and think for a minute what we are actually discussing here.

Human lives vs. playing a game.

And there quite a few on the side of playing a game over saving human lives. Let that sink in for a minute as to where our society is at right now folks.

Agreed. A lot of people with way, way out of whack priorities.

 

[clonedude]

Agreed. A lot of people with way, way out of whack priorities.

But didn't you hear.... it would ruin ISU athletics financially forever. They would never recover.

If that's true, then it would also destroy about 90% of all other school's athletics programs as well. So then I guess there would just never be college football ever again in this country. All those beautiful stadiums, indoor practice facilities, and other luxurious football facilities will just sit empty and grow over with weeds and eventually rot away and crumble to the ground. How sad.

Does anyone believe that's what will happen if fans can't go to games for one season?

 

[rochclone]

Just step back and think for a minute what we are actually discussing here.

Human lives vs. playing a game.

And there quite a few on the side of playing a game over saving human lives. Let that sink in for a minute as to where our society is at right now folks.

The argument is quite a bit more nuanced than that. If the premise is we are not playing football in 2020-21. The option is more like Iowa State no longer being a Power 5 school vs. the potential of an Iowa State player actually dying of this virus is less than .5% (approximately the same pct risk of an on-field non-virus death) then I’m sure it is quite as simple. This is a risk analysis situation. Everybody seems to think we just miss 2020-21 and we pick right up in 2021-22 with a vaccine. What if there isn’t a vaccine? We just are never going to have high school athletics, college athletics, pro sports, concerts ever again. Once again a bit more layered argument then you suggest.

 

[CycloneErik]

Just step back and think for a minute what we are actually discussing here.

Human lives vs. playing a game.

And there quite a few on the side of playing a game over saving human lives. Let that sink in for a minute as to where our society is at right now folks.

It's OK. They're using this thread as a chance to post Cave posts without visiting the Cave.
Otherwise, it's just people. We'll make more or something.

Note: This was not an offer.

 

[rochclone]

But didn't you hear.... it would ruin ISU athletics financially forever. They would never recover.

If that's true, then it would also destroy about 90% of all other school's athletics programs as well. So then I guess there would just never be college football ever again in this country. All those beautiful stadiums, indoor practice facilities, and other luxurious football facilities will just sit empty and grow over with weeds and eventually rot away and crumble to the ground. How sad.

Does anyone believe that's what will happen if fans can't go to games for one season?

But didn't you hear.... it would ruin ISU athletics financially forever. They would never recover.

If that's true, then it would also destroy about 90% of all other school's athletics programs as well. So then I guess there would just never be college football ever again in this country. All those beautiful stadiums, indoor practice facilities, and other luxurious football facilities will just sit empty and grow over with weeds and eventually rot away and crumble to the ground. How sad.

Does anyone believe that's what will happen if fans can't go to games for one season?

That is actually what would happen for 50-65 schools in Year One. If there isn’t a vaccine are you prepared to never see a sporting event live again. Are you prepared for Iowa State athletics to cease if there isn’t a vaccine. Because if you aren’t prepared to take that step then really you are making a bull**** argument. Everyone seems to just take at face value that there will be a vaccine in February of 2021. That isn’t a sure thing at all.

 

[alarson]

If there isn’t a vaccine are you prepared to never see a sporting event live again. Are you prepared for Iowa State athletics to cease if there isn’t a vaccine.

And they call us the fearmongerers.

 

[rochclone]

And they call us the fearmongerers.

Actually I’m the democrat but I’m also a realist when it comes to finances and how athletic departments work. A question for you. If there is no vaccine for 3 years does college sports survive? If you think it does survive, how exactly is that going to occur if no football or basketball games are played because of a potential risk?

 

[alarson]

Actually I’m the democrat but I’m also a realist when it comes to finances and how athletic departments work. A question for you. If there is no vaccine for 3 years does college sports survive? If you think it does survive, how exactly is that going to occur if no football or basketball games are played because of a potential risk?

Again, you're not understanding the reason some are talking about no fans. The reason for that has to do with community spread, and tens of thousands of people in stands from all over the state are much more of a risk than just the teams\staff. We won't need to wait for a vaccine for the games to be played, just for fan attendance.

Due to this, i would anticipate the ability to play games but with no fans. Meaning universities would be able to retain their TV dollars (the biggest piece of their revenue) but would take a financial hit from losing fans. It would be a painful hit, but not a 'the athletic department is gone forever' kind of hit. If games are somehow cancelled entirely this fall, they almost certainly would not be next season, even if they too went no fans.

 

[CycloneErik]

Actually I’m the democrat but I’m also a realist when it comes to finances and how athletic departments work. A question for you. If there is no vaccine for 3 years does college sports survive? If you think it does survive, how exactly is that going to occur if no football or basketball games are played because of a potential risk?

As a realist, you should know that many other countries have found that simple measures prevent this very scenario, but hey, fearmonger away.

 

[rochclone]

Again, you're not understanding the reason some are talking about no fans. The reason for that has to do with community spread, and tens of thousands of people in stands from all over the state are much more of a risk than just the teams\staff. We won't need to wait for a vaccine for the games to be played, just for fan attendance.

Due to this, i would anticipate the ability to play games but with no fans. Meaning universities would be able to retain their TV dollars (the biggest piece of their revenue) but would take a financial hit from losing fans. It would be a painful hit, but not a 'the athletic department is gone forever' kind of hit. If games are somehow cancelled entirely this fall, they almost certainly would not be next season, even if they too went no fans.

But if games are cancelled this season and we still see the virus at the same levels next year with no vaccine why would we be playing in 2021-22.

 

[rochclone]

As a realist, you should know that many other countries have found that simple measures prevent this very scenario, but hey, fearmonger away.

I think the solution is simple. You mandate mask wearing for everyone in the country from now until the end of the calendar. Make exceptions for kids under the age of 9 or so. If people are wearing masks, staying home when sick and practicing proper hand washing the chances of contracting are very low. The problem is that I no faith that most Americans will follow this because they are stupid and I have even less faith that the Federal Government would impose such guidelines.

 

[everyyard]

You ask Jamie Pollard about “only giving up football for one season” and see what his response is. The financial ruin would be nearly impossible to overcome.

that CANNOT influence what the county health department recommends.

 

[CycloneErik]

I think the solution is simple. You mandate mask wearing for everyone in the country from now until the end of the calendar. Make exceptions for kids under the age of 9 or so. If people are wearing masks, staying home when sick and practicing proper hand washing the chances of contracting are very low. The problem is that I no faith that most Americans will follow this because they are stupid and I have even less faith that the Federal Government would impose such guidelines.

Right. Everyone needs to mask up. This really isn't complicated.

 

[CycloneDaddy]

So I’m to believe that a red state entity didn’t even save up for 4 months of a rainy day fund?

It's OK. They're using this thread as a chance to post Cave posts without visiting the Cave.
Otherwise, it's just people. We'll make more or something.

Note: This was not an offer.

Please take Gunner to the cave

 

[clonedude]

That is actually what would happen for 50-65 schools in Year One. If there isn’t a vaccine are you prepared to never see a sporting event live again. Are you prepared for Iowa State athletics to cease if there isn’t a vaccine. Because if you aren’t prepared to take that step then really you are making a bull**** argument. Everyone seems to just take at face value that there will be a vaccine in February of 2021. That isn’t a sure thing at all.

I am prepared to never see another Cyclone athletic event ever again if that's what it's going to take to get rid of this virus and save a lot of lives.

I can't fathom anyone feeling any different, but I guess I'm the idiot.

 

[nfrine]

One thing for sure, no matter what the final decision/outcome is on attendance, we will b***h about it.

 

[Tailg8er]

I am prepared to never see another Cyclone athletic event ever again if that's what it's going to take to get rid of this virus and save a lot of lives.

I can't fathom anyone feeling any different, but I guess I'm the idiot.

That's not going to get rid of this virus though - not even a little bit. At best, it slows it down. How much can be argued, as if people aren't watching/attending a college athletics event, plenty will be attending other things with plenty of people in attendance.

If you're prepared to never see another Cyclone athletic event, surely you're prepared to never attend a job again/never go to a restaurant/never go anywhere to buy anything that's not life or death essential? Even all of that won't get rid of this virus - but if that's your goal, why stop at viewing (not even attending) athletic events?

To hell with all the people who depend on athletics for a living, to put food on the table for their kids. Should be plenty of other jobs for them with unemployment through the roof & hiring freezes all over the place, right? Hospitals have plenty of beds, plenty of ventilators.

Anybody want to figure up the risk of covid-related death for 30k people attending an event (even counting community spread) vs risk of death for 60k+ people driving to/from an athletic event pre-covid? If you can share facts that show the covid chance is higher, I'll change my opinion. If not, you should be advocating for no athletic events/concerts/large forms of entertainment - ever - since entertainment is not worth any amount of possible death (according to your own words).

 

[rochclone]

I am prepared to never see another Cyclone athletic event ever again if that's what it's going to take to get rid of this virus and save a lot of lives.

I can't fathom anyone feeling any different, but I guess I'm the idiot.

If the virus is still around in two years (no vaccine) then I’m not sure that the act of not attending an event in public is going to “end” the virus. Only way to end this thing is (1) vaccine that over 80% of population takes; (2) over 70% of the population gets the virus and herd immunity is developed (and confirmation that you can’t get it twice) or (3) you allow people to go about their business including attending events but you federally mandate that a mask is worn by everyone when they walk out of their house. If we did (3) this virus would be dead in 90 days but the Federal Government is inept.

 

[larrysarmy]

That's not going to get rid of this virus though - not even a little bit. At best, it slows it down. How much can be argued, as if people aren't watching/attending a college athletics event, plenty will be attending other things with plenty of people in attendance.

If you're prepared to never see another Cyclone athletic event, surely you're prepared to never attend a job again/never go to a restaurant/never go anywhere to buy anything that's not life or death essential? Even all of that won't get rid of this virus - but if that's your goal, why stop at viewing (not even attending) athletic events?

To hell with all the people who depend on athletics for a living, to put food on the table for their kids. Should be plenty of other jobs for them with unemployment through the roof & hiring freezes all over the place, right? Hospitals have plenty of beds, plenty of ventilators.

Anybody want to figure up the risk of covid-related death for 30k people attending an event (even counting community spread) vs risk of death for 60k+ people driving to/from an athletic event pre-covid? If you can share facts that show the covid chance is higher, I'll change my opinion. If not, you should be advocating for no athletic events/concerts/large forms of entertainment - ever - since entertainment is not worth any amount of possible death (according to your own words).

Agree- I think many are trying to find the perfect needle to thread to maximize mitigation and I’m not sure that is possible.

 

[IcSyU]

Its amazing to me how many people think "just make a decision in mid-August"...do you know the logistics of an event like this?