Prohm Defenders

[CycloneErik]

I remember thinking Florida A&M was horrible last year.

Don't Prohm this.

 

[CycloneErik]

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You just gave him new goals to shoot for. Fantastic.

 

[ISU22CY]

I find it hard to believe these players want to play 18 conference games. They did not look engaged.

Fixed it for you

 

[Clonefan32]

Honest to god is there anyone here that has extreme confidence we beat Chicago State? I don't think I'd put any money on it...

 

[David Moss]

Honestly, the problem is that no one even cares at this point. Seems to include the players.

 

[isufbcurt]

Amazing how there's still people on this site, like @isufbcurt and @Macloney , who will defend Prohm as if he's a blood relative, even after a performance like that..

I haven't even posted tonight. Tonight was embarrassing. I defend Prohm because he's the coach and me blasting him isn't going to change that.

But yes tonight was a **** show. The one thing I am sick of Prohm doing (or not doing) is not holding guys accountable. The game plan was to get the ball inside to Solo and then play inside out. Well we were just chucking 3's and not even getting the ball inside. Prohm needs to pull the guys from the game who aren't following the game plan and put in someone who will.

Secondly, Rasir's comments about wanting to win when they were down 14 as noted in Stans article. If it takes being down 24 for you to want to win you shouldn't be playing. Unfortunately no one on this team has shown an "attitude" they are all appear to be soft. No one wants to get physical, I get more physical playing with my dogs than these guys do playing basketball.


I will say though everyone who is gushing over Foster and Hunter who also want Prohm fired don't realize that firing Prohm Foster transfers and Hunter isn't coming here.

 

[madguy30]

I haven't even posted tonight. Tonight was embarrassing. I defend Prohm because he's the coach and me blasting him isn't going to change that.

But yes tonight was a **** show. The one thing I am sick of Prohm doing (or not doing) is not holding guys accountable. The game plan was to get the ball inside to Solo and then play inside out. Well we were just chucking 3's and not even getting the ball inside. Prohm needs to pull the guys from the game who aren't following the game plan and put in someone who will.

Secondly, Rasir's comments about wanting to win when they were down 14 as noted in Stans article. If it takes being down 24 for you to want to win you shouldn't be playing. Unfortunately no one on this team has shown an "attitude" they are all appear to be soft. No one wants to get physical, I get more physical playing with my dogs than these guys do playing basketball.

Seems like he's got a quick pull for some guys, and a longer one for others and who knows what the reasons are, but it tends to look like the guy who gets a quick pull should get more time to figure things out, and the guy who gets a longer leash can't figure it out.

And in the end it tends to look disjointed.

Also, motivation is definitely an internal thing, but I'd bet you've seen or had coaches that directly impacted that more than others. Anecdotal, but I know I've seen it and it really does make a difference.

 

[brett108]

I haven't even posted tonight. Tonight was embarrassing. I defend Prohm because he's the coach and me blasting him isn't going to change that.

But yes tonight was a **** show. The one thing I am sick of Prohm doing (or not doing) is not holding guys accountable. The game plan was to get the ball inside to Solo and then play inside out. Well we were just chucking 3's and not even getting the ball inside. Prohm needs to pull the guys from the game who aren't following the game plan and put in someone who will.

Secondly, Rasir's comments about wanting to win when they were down 14 as noted in Stans article. If it takes being down 24 for you to want to win you shouldn't be playing. Unfortunately no one on this team has shown an "attitude" they are all appear to be soft. No one wants to get physical, I get more physical playing with my dogs than these guys do playing basketball.


I will say everyone who is gushing over Foster and Hunter who also want Prohm fired don't realize that firing Prohm Foster transfers and Hunter isn't coming here.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Prohm wants to be the players friend. And that only work when the players have the talent and drive to hold themselves to a high standard. He is far to good cop to get the most out of a young team.

 

[isufbcurt]

Seems like he's got a quick pull for some guys, and a longer one for others and who knows what the reasons are, but it tends to look like the guy who gets a quick pull should get more time to figure things out, and the guy who gets a longer leash can't figure it out.

And in the end it tends to look disjointed.

Also, motivation is definitely an internal thing, but I'd bet you've seen or had coaches that directly impacted that more than others. Anecdotal, but I know I've seen it and it really does make a difference.

Agree. But my theory has always been if you are a D1 Athlete and can't get yourself motivated you shouldn't be playing D1

 

[isufbcurt]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Prohm wants to be the players friend. And that only work when the players have the talent and drive to hold themselves to a high standard. He is far to good cop to get the most out of a young team.

Agree. Trust me I don't want a coach who acts like a lunatic, but he needs to rip some ass when they just get in their 3 chucking phase and are lazy on defense.

 

[rochclone]

I haven't even posted tonight. Tonight was embarrassing. I defend Prohm because he's the coach and me blasting him isn't going to change that.

But yes tonight was a **** show. The one thing I am sick of Prohm doing (or not doing) is not holding guys accountable. The game plan was to get the ball inside to Solo and then play inside out. Well we were just chucking 3's and not even getting the ball inside. Prohm needs to pull the guys from the game who aren't following the game plan and put in someone who will.

Secondly, Rasir's comments about wanting to win when they were down 14 as noted in Stans article. If it takes being down 24 for you to want to win you shouldn't be playing. Unfortunately no one on this team has shown an "attitude" they are all appear to be soft. No one wants to get physical, I get more physical playing with my dogs than these guys do playing basketball.


I will say though everyone who is gushing over Foster and Hunter who also want Prohm fired don't realize that firing Prohm Foster transfers and Hunter isn't coming here.

Is it a forgone conclusion that Foster stays and Hunter stands by his commitment if we go 3-15 in the Big 12. You seem to insinuate that both Foster and Hunter stay regardless of the outcome of this year. I'm not sure that is a safe assumption to make. I would love to have Hunter but at the end of the day whether we have Hunter, or not, if we keep CSP what evidence can we point to that he will get us back to where the program was six years ago.

 

[Halincandenza]

Agree. Trust me I don't want a coach who acts like a lunatic, but he needs to rip some ass when they just get in their 3 chucking phase and are lazy on defense.

Exactly. The best coaches all get on guys for doing crap like that. K, Self, Calipari. etc.

 

[madguy30]

Agree. But my theory has always been if you are a D1 Athlete and can't get yourself motivated you shouldn't be playing D1

I agree and really for being in sports at any level but I actually wonder if this dynamic has changed since transferring is seemingly the answer to being held accountable.

Agree. Trust me I don't want a coach who acts like a lunatic, but he needs to rip some ass when they just get in their 3 chucking phase and are lazy on defense.

No idea what goes on but this is a habits thing that takes place in practice and other places and it would be easy to speculate that players tune him out and not just this group.

 

[Hoggins]

Agree. Trust me I don't want a coach who acts like a lunatic, but he needs to rip some ass when they just get in their 3 chucking phase and are lazy on defense.

That will never happen. He's a good guy!

 

[isufbcurt]

Is it a forgone conclusion that Foster stays and Hunter stands by his commitment if we go 3-15 in the Big 12. You seem to insinuate that both Foster and Hunter stay regardless of the outcome of this year. I'm not sure that is a safe assumption to make. I would love to have Hunter but at the end of the day whether we have Hunter, or not, if we keep CSP what evidence can we point to that he will get us back to where the program was six years ago.

I am pretty confident both stay regardless of record. I wish Foster wasn't hurt, he'd be a beast. Unfortunately on the post game show last night he said he's just going to have to play through his foot injury all season.

 

[Clonefan32]

Agree. Trust me I don't want a coach who acts like a lunatic, but he needs to rip some ass when they just get in their 3 chucking phase and are lazy on defense.

Exxxxactly. I don't want Fran out there. But during the Iowa game Iowa, with a 20 or so point lead, had a stretch where they took some horrible 3s. At the next break it sounds like Fran just laid into them, and that's what we need. You listen to Prohm's press conference and he seems befuddled by the lack of urgency and intensity. Well--- require it. You pull the strings here, if a guy can't play then don't play him.

Prohm was ruminating last night on not being able to understand why it took getting down to play with intensity. But go back and watch the way he coaches the first 38 minutes compared to the last 2. Watch the difference in his demeanor.

He doesn't exude intensity and he doesn't demand intensity, and then he wonders why he doesn't get intensity.

 

[Clonefan32]

Let's pretend we don't have pandemic. Do you think the Chicago State game would get 5,000 people?

Luckily for Prohm attendance figures are a moot point this year, but I'd think declining attendance and booster pressure could get the point across to Pollard. But what do I know...

 

[jcisuclones]

I haven't even posted tonight. Tonight was embarrassing. I defend Prohm because he's the coach and me blasting him isn't going to change that.

But yes tonight was a **** show. The one thing I am sick of Prohm doing (or not doing) is not holding guys accountable. The game plan was to get the ball inside to Solo and then play inside out. Well we were just chucking 3's and not even getting the ball inside. Prohm needs to pull the guys from the game who aren't following the game plan and put in someone who will.

Secondly, Rasir's comments about wanting to win when they were down 14 as noted in Stans article. If it takes being down 24 for you to want to win you shouldn't be playing. Unfortunately no one on this team has shown an "attitude" they are all appear to be soft. No one wants to get physical, I get more physical playing with my dogs than these guys do playing basketball.


I will say though everyone who is gushing over Foster and Hunter who also want Prohm fired don't realize that firing Prohm Foster transfers and Hunter isn't coming here.

Do you think he’s a good coach?

 

[madguy30]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Prohm wants to be the players friend. And that only work when the players have the talent and drive to hold themselves to a high standard. He is far to good cop to get the most out of a young team.

It also is something you do AFTER setting the standards and getting buy in.

He had his issues and plenty wouldn't want him back but for example, Larry was not liked by some of his best players at first and ended up with lifelong bonds in the end.

 

[David Moss]

Intensity is definitely an issue we can all agree on. Setting that aside, has anyone seen any sort of coaching acumen indicating he knows what he is doing? Good offensive sets, out of bounds plays, etc. I see nothing at all redeeming about his coaching. How often do we call a timeout before half end or late in the shot clock only to come out and turn the ball over? This has gone on for years. We also tend to foul the other team late in the shot clock in critical situations. My point - intensity aside, there is no good coaching going on. That isn't going to somehow change. Stansbury's article points out the supposed strategy - get the ball in to Solo (which has its own problems) - and we don't even attempt to execute. When we don't, nothing happens. No subs, timeouts, etc. He just really has no idea what he is doing.

Makes you wonder how good we could've been with a real coach with Fred's remaining players.