End of January Update Coach Prohm
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When the Mississippi fans started cheering for the scrubs to enter the game...and they extended their lead...it brought back great memories at Hilton.
Prohms decisions and coaching has taken the magic out of ISU basketball.
Honest question, when was the last time Cyclone basketball put a smile on your face.
Prohms decisions and coaching has taken the magic out of ISU basketball.
Honest question, when was the last time Cyclone basketball put a smile on your face.
I made that decision a year ago but Covid made that decision invisible. My current dilemma is that for years I contributed in addition to my season tickets so I could have good seats. The upside to that was I ended up with good seats for football as an added bonus. Now that football is really doing well I hate to give up my seats but I really am trying to send a message to JP to make a change in basketball.
I also look for general improvement throughout the season although there's times when a coach can only do so much.
2017-18, we saw this imo.
The last three seasons I can't say the same and not only has there been real lack of improvement, but there's been straight up unraveling at times.
I'm honestly not even counting the last two games and it's kind of weird that there seems to be a 'what is going on!!?' reaction with a team that wasn't good to begin with, only more limited due to a pandemic thingy.
There was a stretch of a couple of weeks where we were actually playing pretty decently, albeit still losing. We hung with West Virginia and Texas on the road and gave Baylor a real tough game in Hilton. Then, with the same roster, we got annihilated by Texas Tech and things have just gone downhill since, Covid or not.
That stretch of basketball where it looked like we had some talent and knew what we were doing out there feels like a long time ago now...
But the problem with this statement is that COVID absolutely had an effect on this team. Not only do they go two weeks without a real practice.. but they have been missing a significant portion of their starting lineup for two games in a row now. Yeah TT game was a step back, but I was actually pleased with the improvement from week 1 up to the WVU, Texas and Baylor games. Then you throw the COVID situation, especially how hard it has hit the team, and what else do you expect?
Isn't this something like the first time in 50 years that UK, UNC and Duke are all missing from top 25? This is a WEIRD year, some teams have been atrocious, and some have thrived because of it, or should Coach K be fired this year too?
Let's face reality here, we are facing a 25Mil shortfall in the budget and you really think Pollard will take on the additional financial liability and risk to bring in a new coach?
If next year we don't see progression, this yes, let's move on.. but the middle of a pandemic is not the time to introduce some additional uncertainty financially.
Let's just relax, breathe, and see how the players finish out the rest of the season. Yes the team isn't good this year, but let's cheer this team on and hope for some improvement.
The current state of ISU basketball is unwatchable and a complete wreck. The whole scene that starts with godawful gray unis to the coach looking grungy and the players looking lost speaks volumes. The worst stretch of Cyclone basketball was the Ken Trickey followed by the Lynn Nance years. After firing, Trickey went to a high school job and Nance went to a NCAA II job. I suspect that Prohm will suffer the same fate unless his connections at Wichita St. pan out. Trickey was 12-40 in 2 years, Prohm not far behind these past two years. Laughably, if you can believe it, Nance's claim to fame on his resume was that he had worked for the FBI.
Has Coach K finished last or second to last in 3 of the last 4 years? Of course COVID is weird and impacting things but it’s impacting EVERYONE, not just ISU.
Also, it’s going to cost the AD an extra $1.4 million to fire Prohm this year (which could be funded by outside donors) instead of next year. The ISU AD will lose more than that by keeping Prohm next year. Plus, we’ve been promised this magic turnaround for several years now - and clearly it’s not happening with Prohm at the helm. If you care about basketball at ISU, you HAVE to move on after this year.
Prohm conference win percentage
This season: 0%
Past 2 seasons: 20%
Past 3 seasons: 32.5%
Past 4 seasons: 31.5%
He isn't a winning coach. Covid or no covid.
How do you absolutely know they'll lose more next year? Do you have any data to back up that claim or is it just a knee-jerk reaction to the losses piling up? Give me the Devil you Know over the one you don't any day of the week in this financial situation.
Hell, restructure him to the Harbaugh contract, low base but highly incentivized. But to baselessly say 4000 people are not going to renew season tickets sure is a claim.
Look, of course Covid has had an effect on this team, but that only goes so far to explain the utter ineptitude.
We have had six different players transfer out the last few years, ranging from guys like Jakolby Long and Terrence Lewis all the way down to Caleb Grill, transfer out of the program. Now, there are reasons why all those guys transferred out, which could also be part of the problem to start with, but you cannot strike out that many times with guys who you expect to be contributors. And that number of six doesn't count the guys like Haliburton who declared early for the draft. Roster attrition had absolutely decimated this program, and a lot of that is on the coaching staff. That has nothing to do with Covid.
I appreciate your loyalty to Coach Prohm, I really do. I was one of the founding members of the PDC (Prohm Defenders Club), after all. But this cannot continue. Not if this program wants to have any sort of positive energy or life after this season. The damage has been done. Keeping him for any longer would just be plumbing new depths of the concept of reaching a point of diminishing returns.
Totally fair points. And if this COVID thing never happened then I am totally on board with letting him go with what we have seen. Where I struggle with making a move comes down to the financial liability coupled with the COVID shortfall. It's pretty disappointing to me to see donors at other schools pay for coach buyouts and signing bonuses when those same schools suffered layoffs and paycuts at the start of the pandemic. How many jobs could have been saved if that donor money was out towards maintaining staff rather than firing a 6-5 football coach?
Number one goal going into next year is being as financially stable as possible. If this pandemic has taught me anything, it's that maintaining a sense of stability is critical to success.
Who got fired at Iowa State? I thought we were able to keep everyone. The thing is I think ticket losses outweigh or at least make the difference negligible
Like a billion other problems we've seen over the last year, Covid isn't the cause, it just had a bigger impacts on things that are fragile. Our program was crumbling before anyone had heard of Covid. Covid is just what finished it off.
Also, how can you compare Prohm to coach K and expect anything you say to be taken seriously? If Prohm had K's resume, he'd get some leeway for a bad season. You ignore that it's not just this year, this has been trending for 3 years.
