*** Official Iowa State Season Thread ***
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No, let me be clear. #1, it doesn't surprise me at all that Prohm would take a student out to lunch. #2, I was referring to my lack of surprise that it didn't even occur to you to take care of the tip.
Look, this is easy to comprehend. The original post I was referring to, #801 in this thread, started off with an assertion that nobody had anything against Prohm personally. I found a specific post from a thread yesterday night where some "fan" openly wished for Prohm to have a stroke. Whether or not that poster was joking I would hope that we can agree that it's pretty f*cking disgusting to wish a stroke on someone, and it seems like a pretty strong personal attack to me, and I hope that poster gets a ban for it. Even a small handful of people is more people than "nobody".
At no point at any time have I ever suggested or written that there is a majority or even a sizable minority of posters who feel the same way as the guy I described above. How about you quit acting like I've said anything different.
You sound pretty worked up- might be time to give yourself a break from the message boards for awhile.
You're probably onto something, actually. I tested positive for Covid on Thursday, so besides a quick walk outside to get the mail I haven't been able to leave my condo, so I'm definitely feeling stir crazy. That being written, at least I can take solace that I'm not so worked up that I'm openly wishing strokes on other human beings.
Wrong answer. Take a look at the roster of the team the following season. Do you think they all magically appeared at ISU? Or that they would have been at ISU if GMac was coach? Or that the team didn’t benefit from the new playing style Hoiberg implemented? Or that GMac would have started the recruitment of one George Niang that year? The foundation of those great years started in Year 1 of the Hoiberg era. It would have been very different if it didn’t become coach when he did.
This is all really obvious stuff man. Basketball must not be your sport. I’m trying to be nice here but it doesn’t seem like you understand anything about college basketball.
Right? At this point teams like UMKC, which were considered automatic wins, need to be viewed as tough opponents. We suck and got embarrassed by a mediocre Miss. St. team. At this point I think we could lose to ANY college bball team above the d3 level.
Only way we get 10 is if Foster develops into an unstoppable monster. That's IF he doesn't transfer first.
I'll admit I think Prohm is a great influence on his players, and I am in the minority that his impact beyond the court is an important factor as to how I grade him as the leader of our student athletes. So, for that reason alone, I'm not needing a change at the top.
However, with all the smoke coming from both the ISU donors and even Wichita State donors, I'm a realist and suspect we'll have a new coach next year.
This post highlights one of my biggest concerns with that situation.
With Foster, Bolton, Hunter, Javan and Hinson, I think we actually could have a pretty darn good team.
Hunter will change things in a way we haven't seen at ISU since Tinsley. He can penetrate through traffic (with or without a ball screen). He can finish at the rim even against tall defenders. This will force defenses to adjust and help out. He seems to be willing to pass the ball when help comes. That combination is something Tyrese/Monte (could penetrate off the ball screen, but not as well breaking down defenders one-on-one) and Wiggy/THT (good at breaking down defenders one-on-one, but not as good at passing when help came) didn't have while at ISU.
Thus, you need guys that can finish and guys that can shoot.
Shooters:
Bolton and Foster are very good shooters when open (e.g., off of ball rotations Hunter would create and off of pick and pop actions that haven't worked with the talent we've had the last two years).
Hinson and Javan appear to be good enough shooters that defenders won't be able to simply sag off into the lane to protect against Hunter attacking the lane.
While I haven't liked some of the decisions Tyler Harris still has in him (and I suspect they'll improve with consistent coaching), I think he is capable of becoming a streaky, but dangerous when hot 3P shooter off the bench.
Finishers:
While some call Bolton soft, he has actually finished around the rim and mid-range pretty well this year and has drawn quite a few fouls in that scenario this year.
Hinson and Foster seem to be very good finishers at the rim, especially when they get the ball off the defensive rotation.
I'm not sure on Javan yet as he's had some issues finishing this year, but he has the athleticism to dunk so I feel like that could be an area of improvement in the offseason.
To make a long story (somewhat) short(er), I feel like we actually could have a really good team next year (yeah, yeah, Prohm can't coach, so he'll screw it up, blah, blah).
On the flip side, we've all heard how close Foster's dad is with Prohm. I have a strong feeling Prohm's NBA PG builder reputation impacted Hunter's decision. After the Penn State debacle for Bolton, Prohm has been a breath of fresh air. Hinson hasn't even played for ISU yet.
If those 4 guys leave next year, we will be even less talented than this year.
So, it comes down to the system and recruiting ties of the new coach.
Wrong answer. Because 15 wins by Steve next year is the same as 15 by any other coach. Unless you are clairvoyant and can tell us all that the next hire is guaranteed to have the same success as Fred did moving forward? You're not are you? Because outside of that, your analogy is worthless. You know, I'm trying to be nice here but it doesn't seem like you understand anything about basketball.
Like hell it is the same. The coach will be recruiting and developing the players who will be the future of the program. Why is it hard for you to grasp that concept?
You literally just argued that it would have made no difference to our program if Hoiberg would not have taken over for GMac when he did. One coach is the same as another, right? And that’s not even getting into Prohms many coaching deficiencies that will affect our record in that one year compared to a better game day and player development coach.
Just take a step back and think about it. Of course it matters, and it matters in both the near and long term.
This isn’t rec league or something. If we can have a coach who is a great leader off the court too that’s great. We shouldn’t tolerate someone who is a bad off the court leader either. That said being a good off the court leader isn’t enough to save his job. His job is ultimately to win.
There's a chance that we could lose some guys due to a coaching change, but for the extended future that's a risk I think everyone is willing to take. Prohm might be a good human being and a good recruiter, but that doesn't exonerate him from having 3 out of 4 terrible years.
2 key assumptions (among others) here that I question:
1) Bolton and Foster are very good shooters
2) Prohm is able to retain the players listed.
I think you understand this, but the decision is about more than what happens next year.
We’ll be fine, Conditt is gonna score inside on Derek Culver...
I actually laughed out loud.
Yeah this isn’t junior high basketball. This is Big 12 basketball. You don’t keep coaches because they are nice people.
Hey @bthebutcher,
Are you ever going to actually write anything on any of these threads, or are you just going to give me a "dumb" rating on every single post of mine due to the really weird grudge you hold against me due to some debate on timeout usage from more than a year ago? JFC....
Are you ever going to actually write anything on any of these threads, or are you just going to give me a "dumb" rating on every single post of mine due to the really weird grudge you hold against me due to some debate on timeout usage from more than a year ago? JFC....
