*** Official Iowa State Season Thread ***
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I don’t care if it’s T.J. or not but I do follow the Mountain West fairly closely because my son likes Colorado State.
If UNLV wins its final four games which it should they finish 12-11 and 9-7. They are the 6th best team in the MWC. Three or four of the teams above him are going to the NCAA Tournament and have vastly better rosters in Utah State, San Diego State, Boise State and Colorado State. UNLV played Colorado State away and lost by 3 both times. They played Boise State away and lost one of the meetings by two. They split with Utah State at home with a far inferior roster in experience and talent. He doesn’t blow me away with his results at UNLV but it’s not like he is getting drilled by the best teams either.
If you are so worried about Prohm and his family, then its the civil thing to do, to put this to sleep. Mercy Kill this guys ISU career.
Tell me how firing him today helps Iowa State basketball.
I follow it a little also because one of my kids classmates plays in that league. And right now T.J. has only two wins of consequence. Well........one. Because Kansas State doesn't count. So that's one more than Steve Prohm since Steve has none. His win against the Aggies is the mark this year. Because I have time following it......those three teams below them are on about par with ISU right now.
So like I have said.......IMO Iowa State can do better. I fear however the dye has been cast and the comfortable decision has been made. Personally......Travis Ford would be/have been my first call. Then if you can get Fred..........I know....not happening. I'm just not sold on T.J., nothing personal.
Where we are currently:
- 11 straight overall losses
- 16 straight Big 12 losses
- 5-25 Big 12 record past two seasons
- Average loss margin of 13ppg this season
- Two years ago to the day of our last true road win (not neutral)
Maybe if T.J. would have taken the job right after Fred. No.........I think T.J./whoever is next will have a Steve Prohm buffer for many years to come.
I think this has been hashed out plenty of times but the problem isn’t liking another option more. The problem is there are certain people who need to trash TJ continuously.
TJ has flaws but so does every coach we might hire.
Travis Ford would be interesting. Proven he can win at a high level in the Big 12
People are about to get a first hand look at what a bare cupboard really looks like.
Hard pass. 63-80 in the Big 12 when he was at Okie State. One win in an NCAA tourney game in six appearances and that was his first year. Last three years he was 8th/6th/9th place finishers and a 19-35 league record. No thanks. He's good where he is at St. Louis.
Tell me how it doesnt? The problem will be gone.
No coach worth his salt THAT ACTUALLY WOULD TAKE THE JOB is going to turn down the opportunity bc the previous guy got fired two weeks before the end of the season. Thats not how high level coaches are wired.
I'll say this, going back and looking at the actual rosters makes me realize his recruiting did not drop off until his last year. But it did drop off, hard. Not that Custer or Tsalmpouris were bad players, but they were never successful at ISU, which in my opinion is the measure we should use to determine if a coach is doing a good job recruiting.
Hoiberg's Last Classes (High School)-
2014 - Custer, Tsalmpouris - Neither played significantly meaningful minutes at ISU.
2013 - Matt Thomas, Monte Morris - Two all-time greats
2012 - SDW, Okoro, Fowler, Naz, Niang - Two all-time greats
I don't agree with your assessment on Hoiberg's performance at Nebraska. Compare how he did there to how he did here. He inherited a similar team, but at ISU he took that team that had been mediocre for years under McDermott and built it up without a major setback. At Nebraska, he took a mediocre team that hovered around .500 and brought it well below .500. Miles' worst year was 12 wins, while in the 19-20 season Hoiberg had them at 7. You could argue that it's easier to win at ISU, sure. I'm not saying he has to get to 23 wins this year to still be a good coach. But at least keep it around .500. At best you can say that Hoiberg has performed worse than Miles under the same conditions. Maybe his recruiting will pay off next year, and we'll find out that these first two years were complete flukes. But I'm not so sure. My opinion is that Hoiberg was on the leading edge of a more free flowing offense at the college level and was one of the first major conference coaches to take what were then considered "risky" transfers like Royce White. This gave him an edge because no one else was doing it. But now everyone is doing it, he doesn't have an edge anymore.
ISU 1st Year Prior: 15-17
ISU 1st Year Hoiberg: 16-16
ISU 2nd Year Hoiberg: 23-11
NEB 1st Year Prior: 19-17
NEB 1st Year Hoiberg: 7-25
NEB 2nd Year Hoiberg: On track to be well under .500 again.
If Matt Campbell were to go to the NFL, get fired for bad performance, go to another NCAA football program and never have a record over .500, and have worse records than his predecessor under similar circumstances, then no I would not want him to come back to ISU at that point. I don't see that happening with Campbell because he's a different style of coach whose success comes from different reasons, but if it happened that way then yes I would say he's lost his touch. That said, I think I've said my piece. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. You definitely pointed out I was having selective memory in a few areas, but I think you are still looking at Hoiberg through rose colored glasses.
I was there when Bryan Peterson and the worse Haluska were starting. That seemed bad, this is somehow worse, and with everyone leaving, unless the new coach brings with him two AA (see Huggins, Bob) its gonna be real real bad.
It has been hashed out plenty. The fear with many....is that JP will go with the comfortable hire because of being familiar. Right now we are on the floor. Why settle for halfway up the wall when you should be reaching for the ceiling.
I would second that. Great success currently at a hard place to win - Saint Louis. And had big wins at Okla State
