Report: T.J. Otzelberger headed for Iowa State

[Ozclone]

I want TJ as the next coach and it has nothing to do with whether he is friends with Jamie, how long it takes to hire him, whether he was the choice last time or anything other than I think he is the best choice long-term for Iowa State. Prohm was the longest tenured coach at ISU since Orr. My first year at ISU was in 1994 and our next coach will be our 8th coach in that timeframe. I think TJ is the best choice to end this constant turnover of coaches.

Faulty logic. The coaches since Orr have been:
Tim Floyd - Left for the NBA
Larry Eustachy - Fired
Wayne Morgan - Fired
Greg McDermott - Left to avoid being fired
Fred Hoiberg - Left for the NBA
Steve Prohm - Fired

Your argument seems to be that he has enough of a tie to ISU that he wouldn't choose to leave. But four of the six didn't "choose" to leave. The two that did, went to the NBA, and one of those, it could be argued, had more ties to ISU than TJ. So it does come down to who has the best chance to do well at ISU, not who would choose to stay if allowed to. There are enough posts on who the best candidate is to do well that I won't address that, maybe it is TJ maybe it's not, but we shouldn't hire somebody because they would stay if given the choice.

 

[Tlyon]

Another day, another conspiracy theory.

Jaime leaked the information to the Vegas reports to gauge the reaction of an initial hire. If it’s not that I’m still a little suspicious of the lizard people pulling strings

 

[Tailg8er]

Such a quick TJ hire is JP de facto admitting he has no clue in regards to basketball.

He’s too cheap and too prideful to get a proven guy. He’s not making the tough budget decisions for that, or begging donors or chasing HCs.

That narrows the pool to projecting out mid-majors, assistants, or outside-the-box candidates. Why do much of a search when you’re a track guy that won’t be able to tell much, and you’ve tended to default to “soft skills” and ISU fit as your delineation. JP looks to hire the coach version of himself. Might as well go with TJ ASAP then.

Delusional. All the dude has done his entire tenure is make tough budget decisions, ESPECIALLY during a pandemic. If you don't think he's constantly begging big donors, I don't know what to tell ya.. You seem to have unrealistic expectations, ESPECIALLY while we're trying to pay/retain a top 10 football coach - I think everyone would agree that's more important currently. Not only that, but we've also constantly been updating facilities - also of utmost importance.

You make it sound as if the ISU money is endless - they're not the US government, they can't just keep creating it out of thin air. You're acting like if Jamie was smarter he would just go hire a proven P6 coach (who, btw, could also fail at a place like ISU). I think he's been around the block plenty - made some mistakes & hit homeruns - to be capable of making the right decision. Will it be a risk - NO #&@* - again, we're trying to ball on a budget here.

 

[JM4CY]

Faulty logic. The coaches since Orr have been:
Tim Floyd - Left for the NBA
Larry Eustachy - Fired
Wayne Morgan - Fired
Greg McDermott - Left to avoid being fired
Fred Hoiberg - Left for the NBA
Steve Prohm - Fired

Your argument seems to be that he has enough of a tie to ISU that he wouldn't choose to leave. But four of the six didn't "choose" to leave. The two that did, went to the NBA, and one of those, it could be argued, had more ties to ISU than TJ. So it does come down to who has the best chance to do well at ISU, not who would choose to stay if allowed to. There are enough posts on who the best candidate is to do well that I won't address that, maybe it is TJ maybe it's not, but we shouldn't hire somebody because they would stay if given the choice.

Uhm.... that Larry firing was a little different than the others...

 

[Cydkar]

He did have exponentially more wins against Big 12 teams then Steve did last year.

Not true.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Another day, another conspiracy theory.

Jaime leaked the information to the Vegas reports to gauge the reaction of an initial hire. If it’s not that I’m still a little suspicious of the lizard people pulling strings

Their AD leaked it to pressure JP into paying the full buy out. His seat is white hot right now. Occam's Razor, they're winning the PR game right now.

 

[CyLyte2]

They aren’t now because Iowa State didn’t cave.

 

[Rabbuk]

Cat Stevens and others.

Cat stevens isn't a real great example of the pulse of a fanbase.

 

[isutrevman]

Not true.

Some would say infinitely more wins.

 

[CychiatricWard]

I’m not saying TJ will or won’t be successful here, if he is the hire, but some of the posters in here act like if we don’t hire the hottest coaching commodity out there that Jamie sucks at his job. If people would quick being dicks and think about who actually is available this year and who will come to Iowa State, they would realize that pool isn’t very deep this year.

We all want basketball to be good again, trust me I get that, but there are so many ******* children on this website it makes me wonder what some of you are like in real life.

 

[CychiatricWard]

Their AD leaked it to pressure JP into paying the full buy out. His seat is white hot right now. Occam's Razor, they're winning the PR game right now.

You say this as if it is fact. Do you have inside knowledge?

 

[Rabbuk]

I’m not saying TJ will or won’t be successful here, if he is the hire, but some of the posters in here act like if we don’t hire the hottest coaching commodity out there that Jamie sucks at his job. If people would quick being dicks and think about who actually is available this year and who will come to Iowa State, they would realize that pool isn’t very deep this year.

We all want basketball to be good again, trust me I get that, but there are so many ******* children on this website it makes me wonder what some of you are like in real life.

There's a wide margin between being the only suitor for a coach and wanting the hottest name in coaching.

 

[AuH2O]

he probably would have won more games this year if he didn't get rid of some guys. He was thinking long term so probably knew going in he had to bite the bullet to set his program up for future success.

They would’ve had several guys returning from an 11-7 MWC team. Guys left the program with the change. Not sure he actually cleaned house. But the surprising thing is that they did pretty well his first year and went downhill this year. If a guy had to come in year 1 and clean house you would expect the opposite. That’s what Menzies did there. Cleaned house after Rice, then won 4, 8, then 11 conference games and had several starters returning.

Let’s also note that both at SDSU and at UNLV his centerpiece player has been inherited.

 

[WhoISthis]

Delusional. All the dude has done his entire tenure is make tough budget decisions, ESPECIALLY during a pandemic. If you don't think he's constantly begging big donors, I don't know what to tell ya.. You seem to have unrealistic expectations, ESPECIALLY while we're trying to pay/retain a top 10 football coach - I think everyone would agree that's more important currently. Not only that, but we've also constantly been updating facilities - also of utmost importance.

You make it sound as if the ISU money is endless - they're not the US government, they can't just keep creating it out of thin air. You're acting like if Jamie was smarter he would just go hire a proven P6 coach (who, btw, could also fail at a place like ISU). I think he's been around the block plenty - made some mistakes & hit homeruns - to be capable of making the right decision. Will it be a risk - NO #&@* - again, we're trying to ball on a budget here.

lol

Those are not tough decisions, they had to be done and a pandemic is an easy antagonistic reason.

A tough decision is not funding non-revenue as much as you’d like, particularly for your son’s sports, so you can pay more debt service to fund better pay for the two revenue sports. This isn’t about the pandemic. Those should have been made before the pandemic. Don’t be a simpleton.

No I don’t make it sound like it’s endless. Rather I remind you we know he hasn’t fully utilized what’s been available in the past. He said himself he’s not fully utilizing donor help here. No I don’t make it sound like “if Jamie were smarter he’d hire a proven P6 coach” I make it sound like “ if he were smarter” he’d be doing a real search, as thorough due diligence has its benefits. But yes, that’s assuming Jamie has any clue what he’d be looking for, which he doesn’t, at least enough to block out the “he’d be perfect in our AD family “ bs

Thanks to factors unrelated to Jamie the budget has increased significantly since 2010. The two most import expenses are ISU FB and ISU MBB staffing. He’s routinely taken on equitable risk with those expenses as prior to a $40 million increase to the budget. That’s bad management. Meanwhile paid more than OU in a non-revenue sport his son is in so we didn’t have to hire a dart throw candidate. You seem to like the government- that’s government like grift. Cut 500k from across non/revenue to service debt if you need to. Workout a loan with a donor if you want to get “creative“

 

[cycloneworld]

Who said he flew commercial? And it wasn’t due to money.

Dude, you can dumb my posts all you want but you literally said it was about money.

Sources close to the situation have confirmed that Pollard and Gibbs were unable to reach an agreement today. Apparently they weren’t on the same page as far as pay, which makes sense because I would imagine Jamie is wanting to bring in someone for less money.

However, my sources have told me Jamie is zeroing in on his guy and an announcement is expected by Monday, potentially even as early as this weekend.

 

[CoachHines3]

hi guys

good mornin

be great today

 

[cayin]

One thing working against ISU is our donor support for our athletic department is woefully low for a power 5 school. Historically, for whatever reason ISU alumni have been cheap. The school gets amazing donor support, just not the athletic department.

 

[AuH2O]

The worst part (maybe the only bad part) about the Hoiberg hire working out is it forever give an excuse to justify high-risk hires.

At the end its kind of like recruiting. Sometimes you get a recruit no one was after and they end up being a star. Sometimes there are 4-5* players that dont pan out. But the programs that are consistently getting top-rated recruits tend to, on-average, have more success. Hoiberg was that coach that wasnt in demand that was a big success. But most of the time, going for coaches that aren't in demand and hoping theyre a diamond in the rough will result in getting exactly what we paid for.

Yep, it may eventually be surpassed by the argument that Mike Rose proves stars and offers don’t matter, but still Fred is the leader in the clubhouse for ignoring real data and probabilities.

 

[isutrevman]

 

[Rural]

The worst part (maybe the only bad part) about the Hoiberg hire working out is it forever give an excuse to justify high-risk hires.

At the end its kind of like recruiting. Sometimes you get a recruit no one was after and they end up being a star. Sometimes there are 4-5* players that dont pan out. But the programs that are consistently getting top-rated recruits tend to, on-average, have more success. Hoiberg was that coach that wasnt in demand that was a big success. But most of the time, going for coaches that aren't in demand and hoping theyre a diamond in the rough will result in getting exactly what we paid for.

Maybe don't lose sight of the fact Fred left and took a flamethrower to his coaching career.