Can you clearly see that he didn’t establish himself back inbounds on that play? It was lightning quick and I doubt any of you have a clear video showing he didn’t establish himself.
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One foot on the floor when he first touched the ball.
Me too.
I did find it interesting that the commentators never mentioned that part of the play.
Where Suggs blocked the layup then recovered it and make the half court bounce pass.
After sleeping on it for a night, this game most reminds me of the 1985 Villanova Championship Game win over Georgetown (which I watched on a portable black and white tv). In that case, the Underdog won, but the quality of play is what struck me about last night. Both teams played GREAT, and that led to a GREAT all-time Basketball Game. Well played Zags and Bruins!
It's closer than I thought when I watched it live, in fact I didn't even notice it live.
But you can play it back at 1/4 speed on youtube and it's really obvious his left foot is down just before he touches the ball.
Maybe the NCAA rule is way different than NBA. I know he's not out under NBA rules.
Honestly the fact that they got the charge call correct with .7 seconds left blows my mind. If only ISU could have had that level of correct officiating in the closing seconds of close NCAA games, instead we get total BS like waving off Clyburn's obvious 3 point play and handing Ohio State a game they lost.
Well, if you call everything a charge you're bound to get it right once.
The block/charge calls have largely been very poorly done with way too many charges called in this tourney but they did get this one right for once.
UCLA hasn't really felt like a typical low seeded underdog...even though I've been cheering for them in part because in 6 years this is the only time I've seen local sports fans visible in LA (outside of Lakers and Kobe's death).
- The UCLA name and legacy
- Pretty obvious their entire conference was wildly underrated and underseeded, like a historically significant underrating
- They just look like one of the 5-10 most talented teams
Don't get me wrong I love an 11 seed in the final four, but this didn't have the same vibe as George Mason or even the back to back Butler years.
Check out how wildly off the typical computer model was on the Pac 12, look at KenPom's gigantic swing from their last rating before the tourney to the current rating:
USC, was 55, now 6th
UCLA, was 78, now 13th
Oregon State, was 87, now 43rd
Colorado, was 35, now 8th
Oregon somehow was the only one that didn't fly upward, 17 before, 16 after...still they only got a 7 seed, not the 4/5 these ratings would have suggested
Honestly it blew my mind.
90% of the time in a big game they blow that call with a no call or a blocking foul call.
It was a no doubter charge and somehow they called it correctly even though there was one second left.
But even properly seeded, they would have been an Underdog playing the Undefeated #1 Zags. FWIW, I was just pointing out that the beauty of the game was not David vs. Goliath but that it was such a well played game.
Super lower seed but UCLA reminded me of the '97 Arizona team that won it.
Plenty of interchangeable talent and hit their stride during the tournament including simply defending hard.
It was amazing how, just prior to the tourney started, that all of those teams were dismissed.
Colorado for example - no respect for a very good year and earning a 5 seed. All the pundits seemingly had #12 Georgetown as the favorite even, yet the game was a blowout from the get-go.
I texted two HS coaches last night and a HS AD. All three thought it should’ve been UCLA ball. One of them is friends with a college ref and he got a clarification this AM. It’s a very confusing rule apparently but boils down to this: IF the player’s momentum causes him to go OB and IF the player doesn’t gain an advantage by going OB, then only one foot is needed to establish position back in bounds before contacting the ball. I can’t find a written rule that covers this but that’s why I think Fran is probably right. Although Suggs was damn close to having a foot still OB when he first touches the ball. I can’t really say for sure. Anyway I’ve changed my mind, it was probably the correct call. (Non call I should say)
My thinking is throw every major conference a bone before assuming half of all the good teams are big ten teams. 12-8 conference record Ohio State did not need a 2 seed no matter what their net ranking was.
