Help! I'm Fat - *** Official Exercise and Weight Thread ***

[besserheimerphat]

youre correct on that as you get the same dopamine hit from food as you do drugs, alcohol,gambling, or you name the addiction. The unfortunate thing is that there are some mental things on his side that likely need to happen there before any change will happen if it even does (like a rock bottom of losing someone or something). He needs help stepping out of denial.

But you don't have to gamble to live. You don't have to drink alcohol to live. Or smoke, or take drugs. Imagine telling an alcoholic "you drink too much, but you need to drink three beers per day." Or a smoker "you need to smoke three cigarettes per day."

 

[madguy30]

Kind of a tangent, but I decided to forgo the gym during COVID (still ran outside quite a bit). Earlier this spring was getting a good amount of lower back pain/discomfort (wasn’t debilitating, but was starting to get concerned).

Resumed my gym workouts, including lower back exercises, core, legs, etc. The back pain has all but vanished since. Pretty neat.

My PT is non-lifting related (clams with a band do wonders for the glutes/lower back fwiw) but it's amazing (seriously) how simple it can be that strengthening the muscles around the joints...helps the joints.

Lots of people I know have the issues, and want to get better, but don't take into consideration the middle part of doing some work to get there, no matter how simple it is.

 

[clone4life82]

But you don't have to gamble to live. You don't have to drink alcohol to live. Or smoke, or take drugs. Imagine telling an alcoholic "you drink too much, but you need to drink three beers per day." Or a smoker "you need to smoke three cigarettes per day."

I agree that you don’t need those to live but was relating the food portion of that post to the addiction noted in it. Ultimately that’s why your body produces the dopamine when food hits your mouth. It’s the brains natural way of saying you need this so I’m going to incentivize it to convince you it’s a need.

 

[madguy30]

But you don't have to gamble to live. You don't have to drink alcohol to live. Or smoke, or take drugs. Imagine telling an alcoholic "you drink too much, but you need to drink three beers per day." Or a smoker "you need to smoke three cigarettes per day."

I've known people that were convinced that exercising actually made them more vulnerable to getting sick because somehow making muscles, lungs, etc. work hard made them weaker.

 

[clone4life82]

I've known people that were convinced that exercising actually made them more vulnerable to getting sick because somehow making muscles, lungs, etc. work hard made them weaker.

Ive heard before that you’re more susceptible to getting sick will your muscles are recovering from a hard lift because your body is devoting energy towards rebuilding itself instead of protecting itself from outside threats. Whether that’s true or not I couldn’t prove and in fact can generally say that I’m more healthy when I’m exercising consistently.

 

[madguy30]

Ive heard before that you’re more susceptible to getting sick will your muscles are recovering from a hard lift because your body is devoting energy towards rebuilding itself instead of protecting itself from outside threats. Whether that’s true or not I couldn’t prove and in fact can generally say that I’m more healthy when I’m exercising consistently.

Forgot to mention: these folks were using it as a rationale to constantly drink/smoke vs. exercising.

I can see vulnerability from the post-work out breakdown but up against smoking/drinking I'll take my chances working out, haha.

On that, I definitely have been prone to getting sick more often after drinking.

 

[Cyclones_R_GR8]

But you don't have to gamble to live. You don't have to drink alcohol to live. Or smoke, or take drugs. Imagine telling an alcoholic "you drink too much, but you need to drink three beers per day." Or a smoker "you need to smoke three cigarettes per day."

I used to need 5-6 cigarettes just to wake up in the morning

 

[BCClone]

I thinks it's all the carbs. Like 10x what the average person consumes a day. I dont think his body can produce the chemicals to break stuff down normally anymore. Not 100% sure though.

You’d think most people when they became diabetic, or started dialysis, or was having chronic ***** they’d try to change or do something about it. I’d worry something is wrong beyond just eating too much junk.

Not trying a TMI post here, but a wild stab in the dark. I developed lactose intolerance around 35 (the typical age for males who do) and it made me like that somewhat at first. When I drank milk, it was awful. It was only after decent amounts of dairy and more after milk or “cream” substances.

Thankfully I figured it out and manage it so it rarely happens. He could have some gut issues like that that causes it. First thing is to alter your diet to see what is the issue. Think gluten issues can do it also. Then just walk down the street and back and build up to a mile here and there. Take some fiber and try to straighten it out.

Is he on disability due to that?

 

[deadeyededric]

Not trying a TMI post here, but a wild stab in the dark. I developed lactose intolerance around 35 (the typical age for males who do) and it made me like that somewhat at first. When I drank milk, it was awful. It was only after decent amounts of dairy and more after milk or “cream” substances.

Thankfully I figured it out and manage it so it rarely happens. He could have some gut issues like that that causes it. First thing is to alter your diet to see what is the issue. Think gluten issues can do it also. Then just walk down the street and back and build up to a mile here and there. Take some fiber and try to straighten it out.

Is he on disability due to that?

He supposed to be on a low starch diet. And he isn't on disability because he isn't disabled, yet. He's fat, lazy, and refuses to do anything about it. There are some who can't be saved.

 

[k123]

There is absolutely no reason to fear saturated fat. That myth is dead. Well, it is dying, and it'll die hard and slow. Polyunsaturated fats, consumed in large quantities today, are another story. I will never knowingly touch another 'vegetable oil' - corn, soy, rapeseed/canola, safflower, sunflower, cottonseed, and haven't for over two years. The fruit oils - avocado, coconut and olive - are not so bad. Be sure to find olive oil that is not adulterated, cut with cheaper oils. I'd suggest California olive oils. But if you can get by with no processed oils - do it. Just eat natural fats - eggs, butter, cheeses, meats, fatty fish, cream - like folks did back when (pre-1920 or so) heart disease was a rarity, obesity was not epidemic, type II diabetes was not rampant. Cut three things out of your diet - processed oils, sugars/starches and grains (this would preclude you from eating any processed foods whatsoever) - and you'll be on the road to improved health. Very simple. But not easy. I went cold-turkey on the evening of March 7, 2019, cleared out the fridge and pantry, threw away several hundred dollars worth of groceries, started fresh. Cutting that stuff out is a challenge, because it is everywhere in everything and some of it is rather addictive. When you do cut it out, you'll be left eating meats, fish, eggs, greens, cheeses, high-fat dairy, a few nuts, berries... It is not a diet - you eat all you want, to satiety, with no intentional calorie restriction - just a different way of eating. An antiquated way of eating. A completely natural way of eating. Delicious, satisfying foods, but a big and fundamental change. But don't take my word for it. Youtube is a tremendously valuable resource, and there are plenty of free-thinking and bright physicians and researchers from around the world sharing valuable info there for your consideration.

Along the lines of this comment above, I am sure there are quibbles with this video but I found it persuasive and motivating. The first 20-minutes are historic trends we're familiar with (diabetes, heart disease, obesity, etc) and changes in diets and macronutrients. The 15-20 minute mark really hammers home the bad seed oils in the good fat/bad fat debate. (See blue Omega-6 Polyunsaturated Fatty Acid (PUFA) in charts below, vs red)

(Then around 27:00 the compare the various 'traditional diet' around the world, lacking all of these diseases, with vastly different macronutrient bases - protein, carb, different amounts of dairy - all still healthy and all low PUF. Then these cultures get addictive modern food from Nestlé and get fat in a generation...)

 

[2122]

Along the lines of this comment above, I am sure there are quibbles with this video but I found it persuasive and motivating. The first 20-minutes are historic trends we're familiar with (diabetes, heart disease, obesity, etc) and changes in diets and macronutrients. The 15-20 minute mark really hammers home the bad seed oils in the good fat/bad fat debate. (See blue Omega-6 Polyunsaturated Fat e in charts below, vs red)



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Great stuff. I've watched the Knobbe vid many times, and stared at that red/blue/yellow chart repeatedly. The message - Omega6 intake is, due to explosion in processed foods, way high historically, get your Omega6 intake way down. Knobbe is just one of hundreds creating content like this, stuff you'll never hear from you PCP, who very likely received little if any training in nutrition and is very likely way behind the curve, busy making a living, seeing patients and writing prescriptions, not learning. Many of these creators are docs, some are researchers, and many were driven by having received a bad diagnosis and then dove into research. Some of them have taken a lot of heat for speaking freely in contradiction to USDA guidelines, the ridiculous food pyramid, etc. There is so much valuable info on YT, stuff you'd never hear from your PCP or cardiologist. Ask your PCP about Omega6s and 6/3 ratio, I can almost guarantee you he/she has no idea. There is a revolution in nutrition coming, already under way. Lotta myths and misinfo gonna die. The revolution is being and will be, sadly, driven largely by citizens from outside the medical profession. Grassroots, because the profession and the institutions failed us.

 

[BCClone]

He supposed to be on a low starch diet. And he isn't on disability because he isn't disabled, yet. He's fat, lazy, and refuses to do anything about it. There are some who can't be saved.

Just asking on the disability part. There are many people out there on disability that are taking money under the table for work. I would need to take off my shoes to count the number I can think of off the top of my head that are.

 

[ScottyP]

Resurrecting this thread. I've really been focusing on watching what I eat the past 3-4 weeks. Covid resulted in me gaining about 15-20 pounds which I am working to get off and then some. I am down at least 6 or 7 this month. These next few months are going to be tough with the holidays but I figured it makes sense to get started now.

I've focused on greatly reducing my sugar intake and reducing the amount of carbs I eat. Mainly going for a keto diet, but I might occasionally have a beer or a little pasta. I've also tried to really increase my vegetable and water intake as well, but it can be a challenge. Just focusing on getting the recommended amount of vegetables can be a struggle and usually results in my plate being at least 2/3 vegetables (especially if a salad is involved).

some of the challenges I've run into is that it is much more difficult to eat healthy outside my own home. We went to a family reunion about 3.5 hours away last weekend and stayed with some relatives. Most of the meals they provided didn't have much for healthy options and eating on the road makes it difficult to have a healthy option (hard to eat a salad in a car). Another challenge is trying to find healthy breakfast options (Keto) that don't involve eggs. I don't mind eggs, but I am concerned about getting tired of eating them every day. Most other breakfast items besides eggs involve carbs (toast, pancakes, waffles ,etc.)

 

[Cyclones_R_GR8]

Resurrecting this thread. I've really been focusing on watching what I eat the past 3-4 weeks. Covid resulted in me gaining about 15-20 pounds which I am working to get off and then some. I am down at least 6 or 7 this month. These next few months are going to be tough with the holidays but I figured it makes sense to get started now.

I've focused on greatly reducing my sugar intake and reducing the amount of carbs I eat. Mainly going for a keto diet, but I might occasionally have a beer or a little pasta. I've also tried to really increase my vegetable and water intake as well, but it can be a challenge. Just focusing on getting the recommended amount of vegetables can be a struggle and usually results in my plate being at least 2/3 vegetables (especially if a salad is involved).

some of the challenges I've run into is that it is much more difficult to eat healthy outside my own home. We went to a family reunion about 3.5 hours away last weekend and stayed with some relatives. Most of the meals they provided didn't have much for healthy options and eating on the road makes it difficult to have a healthy option (hard to eat a salad in a car). Another challenge is trying to find healthy breakfast options (Keto) that don't involve eggs. I don't mind eggs, but I am concerned about getting tired of eating them every day. Most other breakfast items besides eggs involve carbs (toast, pancakes, waffles ,etc.)

If you want pasta cook it, let it cool and eat it cold or reheat it. I cuts your body's glycemic reaction by about 50% resulting in less insulin being dumped into your bloodstream

https://www.sciencealert.com/heatin...pasta is cooled down,by a whopping 50 percent.

 

[norcalcy]

Resurrecting this thread. I've really been focusing on watching what I eat the past 3-4 weeks. Covid resulted in me gaining about 15-20 pounds which I am working to get off and then some. I am down at least 6 or 7 this month. These next few months are going to be tough with the holidays but I figured it makes sense to get started now.

I've focused on greatly reducing my sugar intake and reducing the amount of carbs I eat. Mainly going for a keto diet, but I might occasionally have a beer or a little pasta. I've also tried to really increase my vegetable and water intake as well, but it can be a challenge. Just focusing on getting the recommended amount of vegetables can be a struggle and usually results in my plate being at least 2/3 vegetables (especially if a salad is involved).

some of the challenges I've run into is that it is much more difficult to eat healthy outside my own home. We went to a family reunion about 3.5 hours away last weekend and stayed with some relatives. Most of the meals they provided didn't have much for healthy options and eating on the road makes it difficult to have a healthy option (hard to eat a salad in a car). Another challenge is trying to find healthy breakfast options (Keto) that don't involve eggs. I don't mind eggs, but I am concerned about getting tired of eating them every day. Most other breakfast items besides eggs involve carbs (toast, pancakes, waffles ,etc.)

When you say "healthy options that don't include eggs" are you precluding sausage, bacon and other meat? Keto/low carb is pretty challenging if you still view meat and some associated fat with them as "unhealthy". When on the road, either at someone else's house or in a hotel, eggs are a life saver for eating clean. When driving in the car, Jerky, cheese, almonds are great alternatives to fast food. Not perfect, just better than what you would eat otherwise at the drive through.

 

[KnappShack]

If you want pasta cook it, let it cool and eat it cold or reheat it. I cuts your body's glycemic reaction by about 50% resulting in less insulin being dumped into your bloodstream

https://www.sciencealert.com/heating-your-pasta-makes-it-significantly-better-for-you#:~:text=When pasta is cooled down,by a whopping 50 percent.

Cut way back on pasta....and I love pasta.

Last week made some for the first time in a few months. Went ******* chaos with that meal.

Pasta is my Achilles heel....and fresh bread with butter.

Now that it's fall my body is really craving carbs, calories and sleep

 

[throwittoblythe]

Resurrecting this thread. I've really been focusing on watching what I eat the past 3-4 weeks. Covid resulted in me gaining about 15-20 pounds which I am working to get off and then some. I am down at least 6 or 7 this month. These next few months are going to be tough with the holidays but I figured it makes sense to get started now.

I've focused on greatly reducing my sugar intake and reducing the amount of carbs I eat. Mainly going for a keto diet, but I might occasionally have a beer or a little pasta. I've also tried to really increase my vegetable and water intake as well, but it can be a challenge. Just focusing on getting the recommended amount of vegetables can be a struggle and usually results in my plate being at least 2/3 vegetables (especially if a salad is involved).

some of the challenges I've run into is that it is much more difficult to eat healthy outside my own home. We went to a family reunion about 3.5 hours away last weekend and stayed with some relatives. Most of the meals they provided didn't have much for healthy options and eating on the road makes it difficult to have a healthy option (hard to eat a salad in a car). Another challenge is trying to find healthy breakfast options (Keto) that don't involve eggs. I don't mind eggs, but I am concerned about getting tired of eating them every day. Most other breakfast items besides eggs involve carbs (toast, pancakes, waffles ,etc.)

Protein bars are also key for me when I travel. Whether by air or car, I bring a good stash of snacks with me on my trip and that includes a protein bar for every breakfast and lunch on my trip. I don't always need them if there are healthy options, but great to have if you find yourself without options.

I haven't done the keto thing, but I know I've seen keto approved bars out there. It's not a filet mignon, but they get you by without busting up your diet.

 

[BCClone]

I flatlined my loss this month. Need to get back to what I was doing. Wearing clothes that I nearly got rid of and back into an old suit I bought a while ago. See pictures and shake my head at what I did to myself.

My wife is near her marriage weight, I’m a ways from that but not looking at that either, I was in incredible shape then.

 

[Cyclones_R_GR8]

fresh bread with butter.

Toast with home baked bread has become a weakness.

 

[BCClone]

I was oatmeal for breakfast but got tired of it and now on cereal. My lactose intolerance has even lightened a smidge.