Where Will ISU End Up if the Big 12 Implodes?

Where Will ISU End Up If the Big 12 Implodes?


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jsb

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This x1000. Cable is dying. Streaming is the future and ISU is positioned much better positioned for streaming than cable.

While we have to face facts and acknowledge there are some dire end results on the table for ISU, there are some intriguing opportunities, as well.

what exactly is a realistic intriguing option?
 

uthaman

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AFL vs NFL, ABA vs NBA, and coming in 2025 ESPN vs FOX...

My opinion is that we are seeing the beginnings of the SEC and their partners ESPN breaking off from the NCAA. By bringing Texas and OU into the SEC they are securing the big name schools first. They will fill in the cannon fodder later. This will lead to a scramble by the Big10 and Fox to start grabbing up schools too. I think when the dust settles there will only be 2 major "conferences". Probably 30+ teams in each broken into divisions like the NFL.

What Big10 fans don't seem to get in this scenario is that Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan are not off the table. If the SEC is offering more money, and even more importantly money for the players, then any of the major schools will be interested. This all just seems like it is more than conference TV packages. It is about NIL and paying players above the table. Texas, OU, Ohio State, heck USC and Oregon would be crazy to be stuck in conferences where they aren't allowed to pay players while Alabama can. How would they compete?

And I have no idea where Iowa State ends up in all of this. I would think we are at least an interesting second tier option to either Fox or ESPN. Both will need schools to fill out their schedules.
 

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I have not read all of these multiple threads, but would it be possible just to merge the American and whatever is left of the Big 12?
 

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AFL vs NFL, ABA vs NBA, and coming in 2025 ESPN vs FOX...

My opinion is that we are seeing the beginnings of the SEC and their partners ESPN breaking off from the NCAA. By bringing Texas and OU into the SEC they are securing the big name schools first. They will fill in the cannon fodder later. This will lead to a scramble by the Big10 and Fox to start grabbing up schools too. I think when the dust settles there will only be 2 major "conferences". Probably 30+ teams in each broken into divisions like the NFL.

What Big10 fans don't seem to get in this scenario is that Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan are not off the table. If the SEC is offering more money, and even more importantly money for the players, then any of the major schools will be interested. This all just seems like it is more than conference TV packages. It is about NIL and paying players above the table. Texas, OU, Ohio State, heck USC and Oregon would be crazy to be stuck in conferences where they aren't allowed to pay players while Alabama can. How would they compete?

And I have no idea where Iowa State ends up in all of this. I would think we are at least an interesting second tier option to either Fox or ESPN. Both will need schools to fill out their schedules.

You can't seriously believe this.
 

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I have not read all of these multiple threads, but would it be possible just to merge the American and whatever is left of the Big 12?

yes, but that screws us over, especially short term.
 

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You can't seriously believe this.

Why not? They are the heavyweights. Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers and the like don't bring as much to the party.

If we're thinking a group independent from the NCAA that can print and keep their own money....you don't think the elite of the B1G would be interested?
 
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carvers4math

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yes, but that screws us over, especially short term.

I guess. I just see some value with a mega-conference and most of the teams people want to poach are in it. UCF, Cincy, Houston, UConn, Navy, Memphis, all appeal to me more than Baylor. Wish Texas had to take them with.
 

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Why not? They are the heavyweights. Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers and the like don't bring as much to the party.

If we're thinking a group independent from the NCAA that can print and keep their own money....you don't think the elite of the B1G would be interested?

The B1G would be a group independent from the NCAA that can print and keep their own money.

Thinking the SEC is going to poach the likes of Ohio St., Michigan, and Penn St. from the B1G is delusional.
 
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The B1G would be a group independent from the NCAA that can print and keep their own money.

Thinking the SEC is going to poach the likes of Ohio St., Michigan, and Penn St. from the B1G is delusional.

I wouldn't say anything is off the table. If these super powers are cutting the fat then any school who can't bring that high level of $$$ could eventually be swallowed up by the flood.

113 becomes 60. 60 becomes 30. NFL style divisions with a collective bargaining agreement that brings in crazy money.

Why not?
 
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uthaman

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The B1G would be a group independent from the NCAA that can print and keep their own money.

Thinking the SEC is going to poach the likes of Ohio St., Michigan, and Penn St. from the B1G is delusional.

Oh, I agree that the Big 10 can go independent too and keep Ohio st in the fold. And attract North Carolina, Virginia, USC, etc themselves...

My point is that if the Big 10 and others cling to the way the conference and NCAA landscape has been to this point they risk being left behind once players start really being offered money in the open. There is NO way that Ohio State will sit by and watch SEC schools pay players and take recruits. You can't seriuously believe this
 

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Oh, I agree that the Big 10 can go independent too and keep Ohio st in the fold. And attract North Carolina, Virginia, USC, etc themselves...

My point is that if the Big 10 and others cling to the way the conference and NCAA landscape has been to this point they risk being left behind once players start really being offered money in the open. There is NO way that Ohio State will sit by and watch SEC schools pay players and take recruits. You can't seriuously believe this

Agree, OSU and other B1G programs will be doing the same thing.
 

uthaman

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The B1G would be a group independent from the NCAA that can print and keep their own money.

Thinking the SEC is going to poach the likes of Ohio St., Michigan, and Penn St. from the B1G is delusional.

And one more thing...

You know that whoever is in charge at kNebraska has already called the SEC to inquire about what is up and can they get an invite. :)
 

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I used to think there was no way in h*ll the B1G would ever bring in ISU, but that's when geographic TV markets ruled the day. Not as much the case any more and will continue to become less important. If the SEC goes to 16 I don't think there's any way the B1G just sits around and does nothing. I also don't see UNC or UVA as realistic options. Those are deep regional roots and UNC and UVA are ACC bluebloods, unlike Maryland's situation. As much as I'd love ND to join the B1G there's too much historical stink there, and they've already established a relationship with the ACC, if football is going to join a conference I don't see them upending all that and putting themselves through all the pain and headaches of the inevitable litigation. That would make the ACC even stronger and less likely to be poached.

Two most likely scenarios I think are ISU to the B1G, or in a reformed "lesser" conference that's stronger than G5 but not perceived as strong as the other P5s. One reason I think the B1G is a decent possibility is that with the evolution to streaming and away from geographical TV footprints, conferences are simply going to need more athletic content to push out. The location makes sense. And no disrespect, but I don't think a blueblood 'type' university is going to be an option. If the reformed conference happens, I'd think the impact on ISU would be lessened with the CFP expansion to 12 teams, no auto P5 qualifiers, etc. You'd have a weaker conference schedule but load up on P5 OOC games to build the SOS.

If all this does go down I'd hope for ISU to the B1G. I think it's awesome for a state our size to have two major university players in athletics. Why not do the Michigan/Michigan St., Oregon/Oregon St., Mississippi/Mississippi St. Arizona/Arizona St. same conference thing. Would be fun.
FYI, the BIG did go after North Carolina the last time around. The backed off because of the academic scandal, but they wanted UNC, that was their choice.
 

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The biggest thing we offer the B1g is fans in the stands. Put us in a pod with Nebraska and Iowa and that would help ticket sales for all three.
 

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If we end up in a division with Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, and one more school (maybe Kansas) then this will all actually have been a good thing for us. Imagine the road trips to road conference games that we could all conveniently take. Not to mention the newly-available slot for a P5 non-conference opponent.
 

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