Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

[Roosterman]

Why is it only UT and OU have this take? They think they are OWED something, that they CARRIED everyone, they DESERVE MORE.

They dont understand how a team works, they dont understand NO other conference works that way. They cant realize how Alabama doesnt think this vs the Arkansas and Vandy schools and OSU does not vs the Illinois and Indiana schools. So why do they have this in their heads and why when you try to call them out on their arrogance they just get worse.

I just dont get how anyone can have that take. How you can go through the way the Big 12 bent backwards for them forever and they still act like they deserve more. Its such overblown egos that its insane.

You are finding out that the world is tough. Texas is not the devil all the members of the B12 said they were. Neb lied, Aggy lied and we equalized in 2011. Its an Urban myth that Texas is some bully that treats its partners bad. I love ISU and hope they land in the B1g but hating on Texas got you here today. Its over. Cyclones.

 

[JP4CY]

OU doesn't have exposure or recruiting problems. They've had a problem with coaching defense.

 

[acgclone]

I would be so angry at this article if I was OSU

Stoops doesn't owe OSU anything. He's a company guy (OU) and will talk the company line.

 

[cyclones500]

Bob Stoops: "I would like every Oklahoma State fan in the service industry to spit in my food until the end of time."

“The strongest conferences would not accept OU if we were to require OSU join as well.” He might as well have written, “Frankly, I believe Oklahoma State is garbage.”

 

[iowastatefan1929]

You are finding out that the world is tough. Texas is not the devil all the members of the B12 said they were. Neb lied, Aggy lied and we equalized in 2011. Its an Urban myth that Texas is some bully that treats its partners bad. I love ISU and hope they land in the B1g but hating on Texas got you here today. Its over. Cyclones.

yes its over because we and the leftover big 12 and G5 and FCS are forming a new paradigm of decentralized college football, fully tokenized from top to bottom, we are exiting the system, we wish you luck sir but we will not being seeing each other again, our new system is not compatible with the old sorry

 

[Rods79]

F*** em.

What you’re seeing here is the product of ESPN’s plan to whittle down the Big 12 to its point of weakness to snatch out TX/OU and make them think the little schools are to blame. They’ve been hammering on this narrative forever.

 

[iowastatefan1929]

cant wait till they find out that march madness because march sadness

decentralized and tokenized march basketball tourneys will bring out chaos like we have never seen

im thinking our first tourney should be in kansas city

 

[acgclone]

OU doesn't have exposure or recruiting problems. They've had a problem with coaching defense.

It's easy to say that OU doesn't have a recruiting problem, but relative to the top schools in the SEC, they do. That's who they want to beat in the playoffs, or the top schools from ACC/B1G.

If you look at how many B12 kids get drafted vs SEC and even ACC/B1G, it's clear that this league isn't keeping up talent wise.

According to this link which looks at NFL players by school/conference, OU has one more player on NFL rosters than Iowa.

NFL players by college on 2020 rosters

Here are the most NFL players by college in 2020 and a list of every FBS and FCS school with at least one player in the NFL.

www.ncaa.com

 

[BCClone]

Tweet


Kirk Bohls
@kbohls
·
55m

I'm told Big Ten is so much more interested in AAU schools than Pac-12 is. I'm told Kansas and Iowa State (both AAU members) "made a run at Big Ten, but I don't know if they'll get any place," Big 12 source says.

See new Tweets

For your teams sake, it’s good if the big ten takes us. Don’t think you want the pac 12 deciding between ISU and KSU.

 

[jdoggivjc]

You are finding out that the world is tough. Texas is not the devil all the members of the B12 said they were. Neb lied, Aggy lied and we equalized in 2011. Its an Urban myth that Texas is some bully that treats its partners bad. I love ISU and hope they land in the B1g but hating on Texas got you here today. Its over. Cyclones.

Counterpoint - Texas has destroyed every conference it has ever been a part of and continues to claim "it's their fault, not ours". In other words, Texas and its fan base has the maturity of an 8-year old child.

You know what I'd prefer - Texas owning the fact that they're Lex Luthor in this: "We make money and you don't, so we're going to get ours, and if that means your death in the process, so be it. Sucks to be you." At least then you all would be honest.

 

[JP4CY]

It's easy to say that OU doesn't have a recruiting problem, but relative to the top schools in the SEC, they do. That's who they want to beat in the playoffs, or the top schools from ACC/B1G.

If you look at how many B12 kids get drafted vs SEC and even ACC/B1G, it's clear that this league isn't keeping up talent wise.

According to this link which looks at NFL players by school/conference, OU has one more player on NFL rosters than Iowa.

NFL players by college on 2020 rosters

Here are the most NFL players by college in 2020 and a list of every FBS and FCS school with at least one player in the NFL.

www.ncaa.com

I think the NFL thing could have a lot to do with schematics and coaching.

 

[CycloneWanderer]

It's easy to say that OU doesn't have a recruiting problem, but relative to the top schools in the SEC, they do. That's who they want to beat in the playoffs, or the top schools from ACC/B1G.

If you look at how many B12 kids get drafted vs SEC and even ACC/B1G, it's clear that this league isn't keeping up talent wise.

According to this link which looks at NFL players by school/conference, OU has one more player on NFL rosters than Iowa.

NFL players by college on 2020 rosters

Here are the most NFL players by college in 2020 and a list of every FBS and FCS school with at least one player in the NFL.

www.ncaa.com

Except OU will still be competing against the same schools for the same talent without any unique advantages. Being in the SEC won't change that. If they start losing 2-3 games a year and miss the conference championship game a few times in a row they become Florida sans beaches.

 

[Thorongil Clone]

Tweet


Kirk Bohls
@kbohls
·
55m

I'm told Big Ten is so much more interested in AAU schools than Pac-12 is. I'm told Kansas and Iowa State (both AAU members) "made a run at Big Ten, but I don't know if they'll get any place," Big 12 source says.

See new Tweets

O look what an ******* from Texas tweeted! And a K State ******* repeated it, here.

 

[BCClone]

Also important to note trends. ISU's attendance and TV trends are positive while CFB as a whole are not good.

Basically ad value for a team comes down to how popular the team is. TV and attendance give us that. Sure, there are some teams where attendance doesn't correlate great with their brand value, but that argument probably only holds water with Miami and USC. Not sure it applies with anybody else.

Also, I don't think AD budget is a valid metric. Most of it is media contracts, which is driven by the big dogs in the conference they're in. The rest is donations, which they aren't redistributing. Donations enable a school to maybe endure some worse conference entry conditions, but that's it.

What attendance and TV viewership suggests that in terms of media value:
- The bottom half to 1/3 of the ACC and PAC are really low value.
- The B10s top (OSU, UM, PSU) are great, the mid-tier is solid, the bottom 5 or so are bad.

If these metrics are reasonable indicators, ISU would be a mid-tier Big 10 team, and mid-upper PAC or ACC team.

I know that people have whatever outdated feelings about "brand," but actual metrics suggest ISU is more valuable than a lot of teams considered to be safe, and ISU is trending in the right direction.

Two final caveats:
1. The old cable satellite "market size" value is going away, but it's not gone yet. So that is a negative, particularly in the near-term for ISU.
2. We know that football is the driver, but MBB viewership and valuable still is a factor in the total media contracts. Despite ISU sucking for two years, it still delivers above average value here.

Number 1 gets helped by being PAC instead of big 10. They won’t see it as the same footprint. Not that it is a large one, but at least a separate one.

 

[iowastatefan1929]

see texas is simply a poor leader, they have no vision, they can only look and say, there the SEC is better than us and waddle over and join the SEC, they are weak minded, poor leaders and vision less

but let me tell you texas fans, we invented the first computer, iowa st will step up and fill the power vacuum that you have left in your wake, and show you how you lead

 

[Dandy]

Do you get recruitment fees for getting people to the premium board? You sure like to pimp it.

i signed up am i his *naughtyword* now?

 

[ClonesInDallas]

You are finding out that the world is tough. Texas is not the devil all the members of the B12 said they were. Neb lied, Aggy lied and we equalized in 2011. Its an Urban myth that Texas is some bully that treats its partners bad. I love ISU and hope they land in the B1g but Texas being horribly mediocre the last 10 years got you here today. Its over. Cyclones.

Fixed it for you. If you're gonna suck, may as well make more money sucking.

Horns Down

 

[Cyclones1969]

I think if the PAC 12 expands, the B1G does too and grabs ISU and KU.

I still don’t understand why people are trying to look at this like it was 10 years ago. Conferences have nothing to do with this.

this is fox sports vs disney. The sec crushed everyone with their move. The ACC is their second tier network.

Fox needs to stop the hemorrhaging, or they’re looking at losing any grip on the top tier name brand schools.

 

[Dandy]

Except that Texas isn't a bully. They're like 52-45 in the conference since Colt McCoy.

 

[surly]

This is all simply a reflection of changing dynamics in a "somewhat" capitalist market. The weak have to strengthen their position to survive, compete, and grow.

What Stoops wrote above is true. This is great for Oklahoma on the surface. They are acting in their own best interests, just as ISU, oSu, and K-State will do going forward.

I will also say that normally operations do not improve by buying out one's competitor. They improve by internal development.