Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

[cyIclSoneU]

I don't care why they did it, do you realize how important it has been to ISU that they did it? What conference do you think ISU would be in right now if ESPN hadn't thrown away all that money? Do you think Campbell would be coaching there? What would the stadium look like? Would Pollard still be at ISU?

So when you call ESPN the villains, I find it hilarious. They quite literally bought ISU time to where it's not laughable that another conference would want them. If that is what you call a villain, I need more villains in my life.

I never called ESPN a villain but was correcting your naive take that ESPN rode in to save the Big 12. They acted selfishly then and are acting selfishly now. Every school is acting selfishly. I expect ISU to act selfishly if another power conference invite comes along. That’s where we are now. There is no real governance that looks out for the development of the game on a macro level; it’s a bunch of actors seeking independent advancement. It will end up massively concentrating the wealth as these things do. We will eventually have the top brands doing their own thing and playing on FOX and ABC weekly in their 24-school league.

 

[Statefan10]

that's an odd comparison of schools to choose, do you think any of those schools would be of lots of value to another conference if they were on the free market?

The most obvious comparison you could use would be Iowa. If Iowa and ISU were reversed and it was Iowa in the Big 12, and ISU were in the Big 10, would you really be out here arguing how great of an addition Iowa would be?

This has forced some of you to lose your damn minds. Yes you and we have better fan support than USC. Guess what, that doesn't mean a ******* thing, anyone would rather have USC.

I wasn’t arguing that we have a better case than a team like USC lol. I’ve been quite vocal that the B1G won’t be calling ISU or KU to try and make a deal right away. We'll be down the list, even if we probably do make the most sense logistically. However, making an argument about stadium size when our stadium is bigger than half the B1G West teams, some by a lot, isnt the best point to try and argue.

We’re almost as big as Iowa and honestly, if we do somehow get into the B1G, we’re likely going to expand our stadium again and could even surpass Kinnick.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Maybe this has been discussed already, maybe I’m missing something…the financial penalties that ou and Ut face only come into play if they leave before 2025, correct? I keep hearing that the other 8 big 12 schools can’t do anything until 2025 or else ou and ut are off the hook. I see it the other way. If a handful of the remaining schools start making plans to join other conferences in 2025 , ou and Ut are going to see that the remaining 8 serious about playing this thing out for 4 more years.

I think that's how you'd play it, and then once the payments were settled, announce that you're joining early because OU and UT left early. The legal situation might get sticky with any teams that were left without a home, but at that point, I think the potential losses would be compared to the Big 12's new value, rather than its previous value.

 

[20eyes]

God he’s a moron lol. Our stadium holds 60,000+ and we do it every game. We currently have larger stadiums than Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota and Northwestern. Some of them by a lot.

Okay, fair enough Pat Harty, we DO need the B1G more...but who's better and available and checks the boxes?

No, we're not ND or SC but we're a cultural and geographic fit with AAU status. And we'd compete for the West title day one. Investing in potential is risky...but we have it. We have a motivated AD and fanbase...a HELL of a lot more motivated than UCLA OR USC. And any discussion of football "tradition" where NW, IU, Rutgers or MD is concerned is laugh out loud funny. Give ISU B1G money and we'll DO something with it. We'll add value to the B1G.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Thoughts on how "worried" each school should be about finding a solid landing place:

Least worried: WVU, KU, OSU
Moderately worried: ISU, TT, KSU
Very worried: BU, TCU

Agree? Disagree?

Couple of points, WV totally depends on where KU ends up. If they go to the Big 10, I would think WV to the ACC is a shoe in. But if the Big 10 takes the Pac 12 teams, then KU will be choice #1 for the ACC because of their academics and their BB brand. Think yearly games between KU and Duke or UNC. That is better than any football games to the league between Pitt and WV.

I tend to think the private religious schools are in the worst shape here, in the past the Pac 12 has shied away from religious schools, but TCU has also moved away from it, but not Baylor, they could be screwed.

Pat Hardy and the EIU fan base are going to do everything they can to keep throwing out the idea that ISU does not deserve nor has earned a shot at the pot of gold that is the Big 10. They loath the idea of ISU in the same conference as them, to them its the same line of thinking of Trump eating at a soap kitchen while president. They think they are far above hob nobbing with people that to them are beneath them.

 

[surly]

Thoughts on how "worried" each school should be about finding a solid landing place:

Least worried: WVU, KU, OSU
Moderately worried: ISU, TT, KSU
Very worried: BU, TCU

Agree? Disagree?

I change the categories to

Delusional: Ku, ISU, WVU
Worried: K-State, TxT, oSu
Emaciated: Baylor, TCU

 

[Cloneon]

If brand recognition will be the factor, admittedly Okie State has more.

But West Virginia is the one I’d contest here. They are in big trouble if Notre Dame picks the ACC. Even if not, poor academics could be a strong knock against them.

I love that phrase "Brand Recognition". It's not like choosing which cereal to eat in the morning. Really? Is there a metric out there that proves someone unaffiliated with a big brand university turned on the TV, paid their viewing subscription, and watched a game BECAUSE that university had a bigger brand. I wouldn't even choose a beer because of its bigger brand.

 

[Die4Cy]

God he’s a moron lol. Our stadium holds 60,000+ and we do it every game. We currently have larger stadiums than Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota and Northwestern. Some of them by a lot.

Ain't no hot take quite like a Pat Harty hot take.

Fact is, ISU is right next to Harty's beloved Hawkeyes at #21 in total attendance for football. Where we differ is that Iowa's attendance is in a multi year slide and ISU's has increased 5 straight years, while also seeing records for season ticket sales. It's arguable that Iowa is a worse option for marketability than ISU in the Big Ten.

 

[Statefan10]

Okay, fair enough Pat Harty, we DO need the B1G more...but who's better and available and checks the boxes?

No, we're not ND or SC but we're a cultural and geographic fit with AAU status. And we'd compete for the West title day one. Investing in potential is risky...but we have it. We have a motivated AD and fanbase...a HELL of a lot more motivated than UCLA OR USC. And any discussion of football "tradition" where NW, IU, Rutgers or MD is concerned is laugh out loud funny. Give ISU B1G money and we'll DO something with it. We'll add value to the B1G.

Yep. They took flyers on Maryland and Rutgers because of the TV markets and prayed they’d do something with the B1G $. Nope. They haven’t done crap. When USC and Stanford say no because of location, we’ll be the next team up.

 

[clonehome]

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God he’s a moron lol. Our stadium holds 60,000+ and we do it every game. We currently have larger stadiums than Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota and Northwestern. Some of them by a lot.

Add Rutgers (52,000) and Maryland (54,000) to your list. I lived NJ for 7 years and went to a game vs BC in the 2000s. Awful stadium and atmosphere. The stadium basically sits in a forest isolated from a disjointed set of parking lots and most fans take a shuttle to the stadium from those lots. It’s an terrible game day environment. Iowa State probably has a better game day atmosphere than almost every B1G team. Certainly better than Kinnick’s scattered set up.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Add Rutgers (52,000) and Maryland (54,000) to your list. I lived NJ for 7 years and went to a game vs BC in the 2000s. Awful stadium and atmosphere. The stadium basically sits in a forest isolated from a disjointed set of parking lots and most fans take a shuttle to the stadium from those lots. It’s an terrible game day environment. Iowa State probably has a better game day atmosphere than almost every B1G team. Certainly better than Kinnick’s scattered set up.

If this were 2011 and ISU was uniquely situated in a top 5 media market, we would be a B1G shoe in. But it’s not and we aren’t.

 

[Statefan10]

Ain't no hot take quite like a Pat Harty hot take.

Fact is, ISU is right next to Harty's beloved Hawkeyes at #21 in total attendance for football. Where we differ is that Iowa's attendance is in a multi year slide and ISU's has increased 5 straight years, while also seeing records for season ticket sales. It's arguable that Iowa is a worse option for marketability than ISU in the Big Ten.

I’ll throw in the fact that Iowa’s issues are going to catch up with them soon and their beloved HC will no longer be there. What happens to Iowa’s brand then? And sure you could make the similar argument about CMC, but the fact of the matter is that if we join the B1G, Matt stays.

 

[Statefan10]

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Add Rutgers (52,000) and Maryland (54,000) to your list. I lived NJ for 7 years and went to a game vs BC in the 2000s. Awful stadium and atmosphere. The stadium basically sits in a forest isolated from a disjointed set of parking lots and most fans take a shuttle to the stadium from those lots. It’s an terrible game day environment. Iowa State probably has a better game day atmosphere than almost every B1G team. Certainly better than Kinnick’s scattered set up.

There’s some great atmospheres in the B1G. We’d be in the upper middle of the pack but we’re certainly better than Rutgers, MD, Minny, Purdue, Illinois, Indiana (we also have a bigger stadium), and Northwestern. That’s half the f’n conference! Lol

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

that's an odd comparison of schools to choose, do you think any of those schools would be of lots of value to another conference if they were on the free market?

The most obvious comparison you could use would be Iowa. If Iowa and ISU were reversed and it was Iowa in the Big 12, and ISU were in the Big 10, would you really be out here arguing how great of an addition Iowa would be?

This has forced some of you to lose your damn minds. Yes you and we have better fan support than USC. Guess what, that doesn't mean a ******* thing, anyone would rather have USC.

They are all over it on their boards. One guy is trying to use the chart from the Wall Street Journal to show EIU has 2.5 times the value of ISU.

College Football Value Rankings - WSJ.com

Well the chart is from 2018, and ISU has to be on the upward projections from when it was first printed. 2nd if we are to believe this chart, ISU has a higher value than 6 teams currently in the Big 10, so that has to mean we should be a shoe in for the league.

Finally the WSJ has S. Carolina, Arkansas and Iowa ranked ahead of USC, UCLA, Clemson, Florida St. and Oregon in value. Now if you would ask any AD, Media person or Network, rank these teams according to what they bring to your league or broadcast, everyone one of them would rank EIU, ARk, and S. Carolina 6, 7 and 8th.

What a load of crap.

 

[surly]

They are all over it on their boards. One guy is trying to use the chart from the Wall Street Journal to show EIU has 2.5 times the value of ISU.

College Football Value Rankings - WSJ.com

Well the chart is from 2018, and ISU has to be on the upward projections from when it was first printed. 2nd if we are to believe this chart, ISU has a higher value than 6 teams currently in the Big 10, so that has to mean we should be a shoe in for the league.

Finally the WSJ has S. Carolina, Arkansas and Iowa ranked ahead of USC, UCLA, Clemson, Florida St. and Oregon in value. Now if you would ask any AD, Media person or Network, rank these teams according to what they bring to your league or broadcast, everyone one of them would rank EIU, ARk, and S. Carolina 6, 7 and 8th.

What a load of crap.

You obviously were not a finance major in college.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

You obviously were not a finance major in college.

No education, please enlighten me on how any of those three schools bring more Value to a league than the other 5. The conference they are currently in would not matter, as they are joining your conference.

So have at it, and good luck.

 

[Cloneon]

If this were 2011 and ISU was uniquely situated in a top 5 media market, we would be a B1G shoe in. But it’s not and we aren’t.

If one is looking at 'media market' or 'brand recognition', IMO they have no vision of the future for which these entities are being established.

 

[AuH2O]

They are all over it on their boards. One guy is trying to use the chart from the Wall Street Journal to show EIU has 2.5 times the value of ISU.

College Football Value Rankings - WSJ.com

Well the chart is from 2018, and ISU has to be on the upward projections from when it was first printed. 2nd if we are to believe this chart, ISU has a higher value than 6 teams currently in the Big 10, so that has to mean we should be a shoe in for the league.

Finally the WSJ has S. Carolina, Arkansas and Iowa ranked ahead of USC, UCLA, Clemson, Florida St. and Oregon in value. Now if you would ask any AD, Media person or Network, rank these teams according to what they bring to your league or broadcast, everyone one of them would rank EIU, ARk, and S. Carolina 6, 7 and 8th.

What a load of crap.

These types of valuations based on athletic department budgets are irrelevant in determining value to a conference in terms of media contracts. Iowa's Athletic budget is big because 1. Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State drive massive ratings and 2. Donations to the AD, which provide no value to the rest of the conference.

TV ratings and attendance are the metrics.

 

[surly]

No education, please enlighten me on how any of those three schools bring more Value to a league than the other 5. The conference they are currently in would not matter, as they are joining your conference.

So have at it, and good luck.

The WSJ piece speaks to market value if a program was sold like a business. They evaluate things like cash flow, risk, and debt ratios. It has nothing to do with TV ratings or value brought to a conference but rather how financially well-positioned and stable they are as a business entity.

 

[clonehome]

Ain't no hot take quite like a Pat Harty hot take.

Fact is, ISU is right next to Harty's beloved Hawkeyes at #21 in total attendance for football. Where we differ is that Iowa's attendance is in a multi year slide and ISU's has increased 5 straight years, while also seeing records for season ticket sales. It's arguable that Iowa is a worse option for marketability than ISU in the Big Ten.

This is especially true if we beat Iowa (hopefully handily) and have a blow out season like we’re capable of. There is no doubt that Iowa State is a trendier program at the moment and we have a good chance to amplify it.

Plus I don’t think Iowa has really processed how much the racism trial starting in early 2023 is going to hurt them. They’re starting to see it in recruiting now and it will only get worse as they look for a new AD and football coach next year in advance of that trial. That is the type of event that could lock them in the cellar of the B1G West for awhile, which is hard to do when you have Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota and Nebraska annually vying for that spot. If Iowa State entered the B1G West we would immediately be the #2 team in the division with a good shot at unseating Wisconsin at the top, as long as Campbell is at the helm. Last year we would have won that division with or without covid.