NFL jr is suicide. If they do that, college sports in general are dead as we know it. I don't think that will happen.
After much thought, my best-case, realistic realignment scenario.
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If our donations go up, we would be in a great position. That's one area we haven't been growing in, butts in seats, tv viewers, winning, continued success, strong academics, decently large student pop. I think people under value us. Location of course is poor but not in relation to the B1G.
IMO, the old Big 12 was perfect. Geography worked, good mix of blue bloods with everyone else. I feel it was better for Nebraska, Missouri, CU, and Texas A and M. I know Mizzou fans and the shine is off on the SEC. Anyway, it is to bad they couldn't get along, destabilizing the old Big 12 open the door to ruin college football forever. Fkn Texas and thier GD longhorn network.
Who is going to step in to stop it? That is what worries me. Literally think Government will need to intervene at some point or else it is headed that direction.
What would happen if the big8 stayed together but as part of the negotiations to let OuT leave early required the SEC to schedule all 8 remaining big12 teams twice with their teams every year for the next 15 years. Meaning every sec team plays a big8 team every year and big8 teams get 2 SEC games every year (a home and away)
we negotiate a separate TV deal and an equal revenue split between conferences for those games. that TV deal would probably be worth around 40-50% of the current big12 deal (16 games per year compared to 45 but with all the big name schools involved) and You’d expect everyone would tune in for those games because of the new hateful relationship between conferences so it would get great tv audiences.
big8 teams get about 25% of their existing revenue from this deal. SEC gets a 10% bump in revenue and when we renegotiate the big8 deal in 2025 with a stable conference and a stable rv contract with the sec I think we could expect 60-75% of existing revenue in a new TV deal. We wouldn’t go up like everyone else but we would stay close to our current revenue and stay a power conference.
you know the SEC, ESPN and OuT all want out of the big12 early and they want it pretty badly so let’s make a deal!
we negotiate a separate TV deal and an equal revenue split between conferences for those games. that TV deal would probably be worth around 40-50% of the current big12 deal (16 games per year compared to 45 but with all the big name schools involved) and You’d expect everyone would tune in for those games because of the new hateful relationship between conferences so it would get great tv audiences.
big8 teams get about 25% of their existing revenue from this deal. SEC gets a 10% bump in revenue and when we renegotiate the big8 deal in 2025 with a stable conference and a stable rv contract with the sec I think we could expect 60-75% of existing revenue in a new TV deal. We wouldn’t go up like everyone else but we would stay close to our current revenue and stay a power conference.
you know the SEC, ESPN and OuT all want out of the big12 early and they want it pretty badly so let’s make a deal!
Iowa State in the Pac-12 is not the best case. Iowa State in the Big1G is the best case.
The only ones probably going to stop it would be the blueblood schools believing they'd be killing the golden goose. However, I think they are out of touch enough, as is ESPN, that they simply think fans of the other teams relegated to a lower division will just pick a horse in the blueblood league, because it would absolutely require that for such a league to not completely tank.
I could make an argument that donation incentive will be going way up with everything going on. People love what they’ve watched the last five years and will do what they can to help keep its support.
I increased my donations by 50%. I hope everyone will consider increasing theirs too, even if only by 10%.
They could not be MORE WRONG in my case. And I believe the same for the rest of the fan bases getting ****** over by ESPN in this ass *******.
I agree completely, and I think they will dramatically miscalculate this. People will just watch the NFL. Not to mention, I wonder if NBC and CBS would try to expand into Saturdays with the NFL in the future as long as they are out of CFB.
So we basically have a 4 year audition for the Big Ten?
Ride the Big 8 wave
Win back to back to back to back Big 12 championships in football then accept our invitation
Ride the Big 8 wave
Win back to back to back to back Big 12 championships in football then accept our invitation
Kind of where I am headed. The Big Ten doesn't need to expand. They have several schools with large, established fan bases, which is why they get the TV money that they get, and will continue to get. If they expand, they might do it somehow in the south, southeast, or CA, to tap into the population bases there (where they do have alumni due to population shift).
The Pac-12 just doesn't seem to care about sport that much. They have been at the bottom of the P5 TV revenue ladder for years, and really haven't done anything bold since 2010 to improve it. Perhaps some of the more sports-oriented Pac-12 schools might want to do something with the remaining Big-12 schools (Utah, the Arizona schools, Colorado???), but that is probably a stretch. Maybe the new Pac-12 commish will be more aggressive.
The Perryman report (discussed in another thread) indicates to me that Big 12 is setting up a sizeable future loss lawsuit against the collaborators (or perhaps a big settlement to keep things out of court). If successful, they could possibly add some teams and get a modest TV deal, and offset the lower TV income with the lawsuit settlement for a number of years to keep the revenue within shouting distance of the Big Ten and SEC. Perhaps there is a third media entity who would like to get more into college sports, and could be a partner for the Big 12.
I don't think either the Big Ten or Pac-12 are going to be manipulated by a TV network into expanding if they don't want to.
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This looked good until it got to "4th best". Get rid of the Whackos in Waco and don't add the Weirdos in Provo.
I think it is likely - going to national superconferences, less geography. Those on east are more concentrated due to history and higher population density. Just like pro sports team maps get sparse west of Missouri, etc.
Big 10 stays "flagship" only, declines ISU. Would they take Kansas for BBall, sufficiently fancy in other respects? Also maybe your scenario the Fancy 4 of Pac 12 (USC, UCLA, Cal-Berkley and Stanford...Or Washington) and go to a national expanded Big 10? Then this Big WestHalfOfCountry conference has to add Boise St, Utah St, Colo St...Air Force/Wyoming? Or a Houston/SMU/Rice?
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Yep. Self-perception and self-interest, Universities are all about comparing themselves to "Peer Institutions" - academics, tuition, faculty, research $, accreditation and approvals (e.g. AAU, Carnegie Classification Research Tiers), etc. Main "brand association" thought of University Presidents and Athletic Directors (and donors). The conference stability part is legit but it is especially pride of place, the 'cultivated person' version of the pride the Kirkwood Tavernhawk fans have about the Big 10 logo (and how we resent that and resort to such disparagements of their non-alumni fans). They either want to be in the Flagship Uni Club (Big 10), or the Powerhouse Football Club (SEC), and those who can get into either of those two are happy to not worry about the mess that leaves behind for the rest.
