There are rumblings about the Big Ten selling booze in all stadiums, I believe it is done by Minn already. Alcohol is only sold in the luxury boxes at others schools which alot of people dont like and some believe encourages binge drinking by students.
Perspective from the Big Ten and some much needed clarifications
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Agreed, that is my CMC is so important he raises kids up beyond their star ranking or is able to identify diamonds in the rough.
I don't know the exact break down in ticket sales distribution but your numbers seem pretty close. Honestly I've only heard about the ticket sales split for non conference games so this is new info.
This never made sense though. The Big 12 was ahead of the ACC and FAR ahead of the PAC12 when it came to TV money and on field success. They weren't that far behind the SEC and Big Ten either. Why was it always the Big 12 that was seen as being on life support and not those other conferences? Almost 100 percent ESPN trying to kill the conference in my opinion.
That, and there was always the instability in it structurally from having a Texas, despite concessions given them, constantly looking elsewhere rather than building up the conference they were in.
Giving them the concessions tells them they are not equal to the other members. Ripe for the picking.
It was viewed that way because it had been raided in the past and because of the disfunction with Texas. There were also rumblings that the next media deal was going to widen the gap between the big 12 and sec/big ten. I am sure you are right though that espn played a big role. I honestly think texas is making a mistake and is going to get crushed on the field for a bit further hurting their brand
The ACC and Pac 12 brought in more total money, but have more members so a 10 team big 12 gave each team more money per school, even though we were 5th in total dollars brought in by a conference.
As to the on the field performance, we had a Texas problem, Overall the ACC was nothing to write home about, Clemson playing in 3 championship games in a row and winning one says to many that they are on par with the SEC or slightly below it. Not true but perception is everything today. While the Big 12 has had OU make the playoff about half the time and still has not won a game, while Texas our other anchor school has been like Florida State from the ACC a major disappointment in football.
The Pac 12 also has the same perception problem, USC is down and Oregon has done nothing in the playoff.
Yeah, but the Big 12 could have added more schools to match the ACC or PAC12 and would have been making more total, and per school.
If they could have made more money by expanding a few years ago, they would of. Schools like Memphis, Houston and the rest were not going to bring in more money per school than what each was getting by staying at 10. Its the same logic that hurts ISU and KU joining the Big 10.
In this scenario would it make more sense for ISU in the SEC? That would add 100% of Iowa eyes to their conference. Granted, Iowa is a small population state, but there is a financial gain that way for SEC that B1G would not see the whole 100% of.Some interesting comments from outgoing FSU president
If this means FSU/Clemson to SEC is could definitely see a 24 team super SEC in the works which could ultimately mean ISU to the B1G.
Lets say the SEC blows up the ACC.....FSU/Clemson/Miami/GT/WF/NC/Louisville and throw in emerging UCF to the SEC to form a 24 team Southeast monster.
B1G has to keep pace and the only pickup that makes that possible is ND. ACC blows up and that's on the table....can't see ND wanting to be part of the SEC. B1G picks up ND/Virginia/VT/Duke//Syracuse/BC to lock in the Northeast market. Makes PSU happy......gets the B1G to 22.
Pick up KU/ISU to get to 24....makes geographical sense. ND alone provides the Marquee value. Lock in Northeast/Midwest markets and even though this is a football move.......Basketball would be a monster.
Pac 12 picks up remaining B12 teams....BYU/UNLV/BSU for a clear 3rd place conference but with USC/OREGON/Stanford/Wash giving them some legit football clout.
Last I knew, the Big Ten teams share 35% of net gate receipts from conference home games, up to $1 million per game and at a minimum of $300,000 per game. The money is collected into a pool and then is split evenly among all the B1G members. The teams with the higher gate receipts (think OSU, PSU, Nebraska, Michigan....) end up losing money on the deal, while schools like Purdue, Northwestern, Rutgers gain money on it.
Yeah I’ve been wondering if this might be the way forward for ESPN now. To dissolve the conference you give a few of the schools better outs than the AAC. Would still be new footprint states for either the ACC or SEC.
BIG 14
EAST / WEST
W.Virginia / Kansas
Cincinnati / Kansas State
UCF / Oklahoma State
USF / Texas Tech
Iowa State / TCU
Memphis / Baylor
Houston / BYU
By being in the East Division, Iowa State gets games in Ohio,
EAST / WEST
W.Virginia / Kansas
Cincinnati / Kansas State
UCF / Oklahoma State
USF / Texas Tech
Iowa State / TCU
Memphis / Baylor
Houston / BYU
By being in the East Division, Iowa State gets games in Ohio,
That could/would be a great conference. I just don't think it would be monetarily as competitive as we are used to, or as it needs to be. I like the concept though.
Plus I don't think the orphaned 8 are going to all stick together like this.
You guys and some others here, are giving me some hope. I just don't see how college football can go down so easily without a fight. I like how you guys are keeping up with other articles/info, which I/many do not have time to read nor access to.
Hopefully in time, college football will find its way and continue to be what it essentially is now. I have to admit I was pretty bummed after this thread.
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the b10 is significantly higher I believe. But the ivy’s have huge money… to be competitive in academics though it takes huge money (dwarfs athletic spend). But it’s not likely that schools move huge dollars away from academics to fund semi pro football (also not clear how much could be moved in many cases). Philosophy in big ten and sec is clearly different. Sec football is a huge part of their identity and they are not trying to compete like the big 10 is in academics. So, to understand how academic budgets may impact this is very complicated.
example (may not be the best, but just took the top football schools for comparison), looking at osu and Alabama endowments…
OSU: about $5.3B
Alabama: about $0.8B
Did someone say VEISHEA riot? I’m up for number 3. Friday night on Welch gotta be.
Do you see any issues with the Cali schools and their boycott on certain states (Iowa is one of 20 or so) states that they are not allowed to use public funds for travel? It would make the state schools a difficult sell if they have to travel to those states more than once a year or so.
What they can do is basically tell SEC they don’t want to join some 30 team super league because it’s going to kill CFB.
And of course no one will risk leaving a conference but the reality is this. OSU, PSU and Michigan are National football brands and are going to be included in anything that happens. In the ACC it’s ND, Clemson, maybe FSU. In the PAC it’s probably USC and Oregon. Now that doesn’t mean the rest are equal, there are some upper level teams outside that group like Wisconsin, but everyone outside of the top 3 or so of the Big 10, ACC and PAC are largely regional draws. And many of those schools might be included, but they might have to take lower shares in a future league. Does Wisconsin or UNC need to sweat being left out? No. Do they need to worry about getting a raw deal? Sure.
