Kansas to Big 10?

[ZRF]

I'm trying to figure out how our attendance would help other schools financially. I assume ISU only get's an invite if they bring $$$ to the table for everyone.

Finally, something sensible we can all agree on.

I never guaranteed or stated Iowa State would automatically make more money for for every school in a particular conference. Over and over however, you repeated market size as one of the most crucial factors in being attractive. To that point, at least as a stand-alone, myself and others heavily disagreed as Rutgers has did not, is not, and likely will never bring the eyeballs their "marketplace" suggests they will. The reason is there are other factors that are at play.

You are also using "bad data" to bolster a flawed argument. Iowa State's 2020 value was sabotaged with Covid where they weren't allowed to maximize ticket sales which would have been through the roof(Covid caps). This year, if Covid doesn't **** it up again, I GUARANTEE you Iowa State will out earn Texas Tech. Why? They are a better team, that will draw more fans, draw more eyeballs, and get a better bowl. As schools like TCU and Baylor have shown sustained success (even for 5 years) can have PROFOUND impacts in donations, gate revenue, tv/bowl revenue, etc.

The other thing, which hasn't been brought up enough, is that having CST games will bring an ABUNDANCE of value to the PAC12. Part of their problem is only their own fans and super die hards watch most of their games as half the country is in bed or out partying when they take place. Add some 1 pm CST games and 6-7 CST games into the picture and now you can get more casual viewers in the CST and EST time zones.

It's not for me to decide if there is enough value, as a whole, for conferences to bring on certain schools. But to be as dismissive as you have for most of these 17 pages is foolish and demonstrates an understanding of the overall picture. The fact that we had a stronger initial fan base, even with our teams sucking ass, speaks to the potential that's there. We are definitely in a better position than TCU and KState are. That much I can guarantee you.

 

[jcyclonee]

Big 10. There is very little interest in having us join from the majority of the fans as they already have the state of Iowa covered and we bring little to the conference, per their opinion.

I live in the Twin Cities. Many hear I am from Iowa State and will say something negative, thinking it is Iowa. I remind them it is a different school and we both hate Iowa.

Not saying any of this is an accurate perception, but it is the perception.

I think most Minnesota fans wouldn't mind ISU being in the BIG. They like us. They like us and like it when our fans attend games. They don't like it when Spencer Petras' Iowa State Buckeye fans attend.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

We made less money last year than Texas Tech. Apparently selling season tickets for 200$ doesn't net you a lot of money.

The last year the data is out, TT did bring in 1.2 million more than ISU ,which is true. The part you forget to add, was that they also received 1.40 million more from their university than ISU did.
Take the money that each university gave to their athletic departments, and we are now ahead of them. You could say the same about Rutgers, Colorado, Utah, Vt. Tech and Arizona.
For those schools, they all were ranked ahead of ISU's athletic finances and all received more money from their school than ISU did. Equal out that money, and ISU moves up in the rankings.

Put ISU in the Big 10, getting a full share of their TV contract of $55 million and we up to roughly 25th on the list.
For what ISU gets out of the Big 12 contract and how few dollars the university is sending to the athletic department, overall ISU athletic budget is doing very well. It could be better, but we are in the ballpark of many without the benefits they are receiving.

College Finances - USA TODAY

 

[Cyched]

There was an article on a Penn State site that said ISU is the perfect fit for the Big 10.

Link? Would love to read

 

[cyIclSoneU]

I'd say its mostly Broncos, but the other pro teams are really popular too. As with anything, if a team is winning, they will definitely be more popular. But as @Cyched posted, college sports aren't big. I used to live around the corner from the local Alabama bar, and it was never that busy even on game days. Kansas has no more traction here than ISU and we would look insanely foolish trying to tout something like that. Kansas is desperate.

Having lived around the country and gotten to know people from all over, it’s obvious that college sports matter a lot in the South and Midwest and almost not at all in the rest of the country, with some minor exceptions like Oregon football or UConn/Syracuse basketball.

it’s no coincidence that the SEC and B1G are flexing their muscle accordingly as the two strongest and wealthiest conferences by far.

Iowa State’s location in a college-sports-first state is a huge asset, even if we do have to share the state with a school already in the B1G.

 

[jctisu]

My favorite part of ANY fan base is when they use the talking points about market value, money a school brings in, etc. to whether or not they want said school added to their conference. Somehow, these big wigs and networks have convinced the fans, you know the real life-blood of any of these schools, that their school making $60million instead of $50million is something they should give a crap about. Not one fan is seeing ANY of that money, and up until this point, nor are the athletes playing the sport. "But hey, we got more money because we added Rutgers and Maryland to the Big Ten!" says so many Big Ten fans back then and now when it comes to Iowa State, KU, etc. being added right now.

Never mind the fact you will play said school once every 4 years at best and you aren't going to travel to the away game at Rutgers or Maryland or USC or Oregon without taking out a second mortgage and taking vacation. And also because we expanded so much you no longer see Ohio State at home but once every 8 years. Yay fans! Meanwhile you could get KU bball and that legendary gameday experience in your conference where the entire Big Ten West is pretty much within a reasonable distance to travel to AND/OR currently ascending Iowa State in football that has a great atmosphere and game day experience and is a day trip for most Big Ten schools.

It's why when the Big 12 talked about adding schools and people tossed out adding Florida State or Clemson, it's two-fold. Yes having a chance to play Florida State or Clemson would be pretty cool. Hosting them at Jack Trice would be awesome. But if you like going to games, if you were in the Big Ten West and you are ISU, you could go to every ISU home game AND every Big Ten West away game without hesitation. That is an awesome fan experience.

 

[Beyerball]

The BIG is currently likely in negotiations with FOX for 2023 new deal... It is estimated that the BIG total package will amount to around $800 Million a year or $57Mil per school..at 14 teams.

FOX does not assume all 14 teams are worth $57 mil annually. tOSU is prob worth $120mil a year...etc.. Same for every conference really.

But as a collective group total is likely around $800 mil. Now......

If the BIG adds say ISU/KU...prior to this new deal it is not going to still be $800 Mil it will be prob $850 Mil. ISU/KU doesnt add ZERO....LMAO. This is a low estimate for ISU/KU btw IMO.

$850 Mil with 16 teams is around $53mil.

So in theory that is $4mil less per BIG team. But wait.. ISU/KU will receive a partial share for let's say 7 years (see Nebraska, Rutgers etc..)...Half a share is $26.5 Mil per year for ISU and KU each.

Or...$800 mil left for remaining 14 teams roughly.. ZERO net loss for the BIG for first 7 years..

Add to that it is possible ISU/KU offer to provide the BIG with the Tx/Ou exit fees and penalites and you likely have ISU/KU not costing the BIG anything extra for a decade..

If the future is streaming and subscriptions which are likely based on fan enthusiasm etc.. Then adding ISU fball and KU bball is only going to add to the BIG a decade from now..

Unlike Rutgers and Maryland and several other BIG schools IMO.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

The BIG is currently likely in negotiations with FOX for 2023 new deal... It is estimated that the BIG total package will amount to around $800 Million a year or $57Mil per school..at 14 teams.

FOX does not assume all 14 teams are worth $57 mil annually. tOSU is prob worth $120mil a year...etc.. Same for every conference really.

But as a collective group total is likely around $800 mil. Now......

If the BIG adds say ISU/KU...prior to this new deal it is not going to still be $800 Mil it will be prob $850 Mil. ISU/KU doesnt add ZERO....LMAO. This is a low estimate for ISU/KU btw IMO.

$850 Mil with 16 teams is around $53mil.

So in theory that is $4mil less per BIG team. But wait.. ISU/KU will receive a partial share for let's say 7 years (see Nebraska, Rutgers etc..)...Half a share is $26.5 Mil per year for ISU and KU each.

Or...$800 mil left for remaining 14 teams roughly.. ZERO net loss for the BIG for first 7 years..

Add to that it is possible ISU/KU offer to provide the BIG with the Tx/Ou exit fees and penalites and you likely have ISU/KU not costing the BIG anything extra for a decade..

If the future is streaming and subscriptions which are likely based on fan enthusiasm etc.. Then adding ISU fball and KU bball is only going to add to the BIG a decade from now..

Unlike Rutgers and Maryland and several other BIG schools IMO.

I agree that the general concept would be ISU and KU take reduced shares (maybe deeply reduced payout shares) for a significant length of time such that the existing B1G universities never experience a drop in their TV money for adding us. Of course as long as the money is enough to keep the AD afloat and pay Matt Campbell we would happily do whatever it took to get into the B1G.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

I've heard the ISU and Iowa bars are actually fun there. I wouldn't be surprised if Iowa State has just as good of a following in Denver as KU does.

Tons of ISU fans here. Yes, a lot of Iowa too. People saying nobody has heard of ISU or confuses us with Iowa are living in a past period of time. ISU is well known, our nice basketball run put us on the map and our current football success is boosting that big time. It doesn't mean we will get in to the Big 10 or Pac whatever, but to say we wouldn't have a seat at the table is wrong also. We will not be relegated to a mid major conference, mark my words. There is still too much to play out, we have some time on our side and we wouldn't be the only school "left out" either.

 

[Statefan10]

Tons of ISU fans here. Yes, a lot of Iowa too. People saying nobody has heard of ISU or confuses us with Iowa are living in a past period of time. ISU is well known, our nice basketball run put us on the map and our current football success is boosting that big time. It doesn't mean we will get in to the Big 10 or Pac whatever, but to say we wouldn't have a seat at the table is wrong also. We will not be relegated to a mid major conference, mark my words. There is still too much to play out, we have some time on our side and we wouldn't be the only school "left out" either.

Completely agree.

 

[cazmaniac]

I think most Minnesota fans wouldn't mind ISU being in the BIG. They like us. They like us and like it when our fans attend games. They don't like it when Spencer Petras' Iowa State Buckeye fans attend.

Agreed. I also live in the Cities and have been welcomed with open arms. I have never met anyone that didn't know the difference between Iowa State and Iowa.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

I agree that the general concept would be ISU and KU take reduced shares (maybe deeply reduced payout shares) for a significant length of time such that the existing B1G universities never experience a drop in their TV money for adding us. Of course as long as the money is enough to keep the AD afloat and pay Matt Campbell we would happily do whatever it took to get into the B1G.

ISU is getting $35 million now from the Big 12, if the numbers for the new Big 10 package are correct I have seen estimates anywhere from $60 million to $80 million per school. I tend to think the second one is just wishing by the big 10 fan base but whatever. So we start at $30 to 35 million and within 7 to 8 years get a full share. If we have the OU/UT buyout money we should be good, or at least where we are now. If they stick around for 4 more years, they won't, but if they do, then we also should be fine, just have to put any new money coming in to a rainy day fund to help us when the buy in years start.

 

[cytor]

People up here in the Twin cities do like ISU. They also (still to this day) equate Hoks as "the rednecks that have sex in stadium bathrooms."

Now, after a few years of ISU beatdowns on the Gophers, they may come to despise us a little. We will make sure to use the stadium bathrooms appropriately.

 

[CysDoc]

Tons of ISU fans here. Yes, a lot of Iowa too. People saying nobody has heard of ISU or confuses us with Iowa are living in a past period of time. ISU is well known, our nice basketball run put us on the map and our current football success is boosting that big time. It doesn't mean we will get in to the Big 10 or Pac whatever, but to say we wouldn't have a seat at the table is wrong also. We will not be relegated to a mid major conference, mark my words. There is still too much to play out, we have some time on our side and we wouldn't be the only school "left out" either.

God, I hope you are right.

 

[SolarGarlic]

I've had far more people say "Go Buckeyes" or ask me if my state's the one with the potato than mention the Hawkeyes.

Lately I've had a couple people say "they had that Asian basketball player".....took me awhile to realize they meant Niang....The Cyclones/Hawkeyes thing doesn't happen nearly as much as it used to. Haven't heard that for years.

There are more Iowa fans than ISU fans in Denver. Plenty of both. A lot of Big 10 schools are well represented. KU has a similar presence to ISU. Most people here know the difference between Iowa/Iowa State or don't pay attention to college sports at all, in which case they couldn't tell you who either is.

ISU has made a huge jump in the last ten years. Our inclusion in any realignment will depend on if the conference commissioners see our current run as an AD as a blip on the radar due to a couple of good hires (Hoiberg, Campbell) or an AD with significantly improved facilities and a rabid and growing fanbase that is set to compete at a new level.

 

[cytor]

If you stop and seriously think about this, How weird does it feel to play UCLA or Stanford as a conference game every year? It feels strange. College is about region familiarity. Pro sports and time zones are about big cities. Bowl games are about playing teams from other time zones.

 

[cyman05]

The BIG is currently likely in negotiations with FOX for 2023 new deal... It is estimated that the BIG total package will amount to around $800 Million a year or $57Mil per school..at 14 teams.

FOX does not assume all 14 teams are worth $57 mil annually. tOSU is prob worth $120mil a year...etc.. Same for every conference really.

But as a collective group total is likely around $800 mil. Now......

If the BIG adds say ISU/KU...prior to this new deal it is not going to still be $800 Mil it will be prob $850 Mil. ISU/KU doesnt add ZERO....LMAO. This is a low estimate for ISU/KU btw IMO.

$850 Mil with 16 teams is around $53mil.

So in theory that is $4mil less per BIG team. But wait.. ISU/KU will receive a partial share for let's say 7 years (see Nebraska, Rutgers etc..)...Half a share is $26.5 Mil per year for ISU and KU each.

Or...$800 mil left for remaining 14 teams roughly.. ZERO net loss for the BIG for first 7 years..

Add to that it is possible ISU/KU offer to provide the BIG with the Tx/Ou exit fees and penalites and you likely have ISU/KU not costing the BIG anything extra for a decade..

If the future is streaming and subscriptions which are likely based on fan enthusiasm etc.. Then adding ISU fball and KU bball is only going to add to the BIG a decade from now..

Unlike Rutgers and Maryland and several other BIG schools IMO.

Great points. And when looking at ISU away ticket sales you have to figure there is added value there for at least the B10 west.

Plus is 100% of the decision about maximizing revenues? If it is, can ISU add value to the research consortium of the B10? Does academics play any role in B10 decisions?

 

[jcyclonee]

Great points. And when looking at ISU away ticket sales you have to figure there is added value there for at least the B10 west.

Plus is 100% of the decision about maximizing revenues? If it is, can ISU add value to the research consortium of the B10? Does academics play any role in B10 decisions?

Adding Nebraska says,"kNo!".

 

[Statefan10]

If you stop and seriously think about this, How weird does it feel to play UCLA or Stanford as a conference game every year? It feels strange. College is about region familiarity. Pro sports and time zones are about big cities. Bowl games are about playing teams from other time zones.

It's stupid.

 

[cayin]

I think most Minnesota fans wouldn't mind ISU being in the BIG. They like us. They like us and like it when our fans attend games. They don't like it when Spencer Petras' Iowa State Buckeye fans attend.

I live in Minnesota for 5 years, it's true, they do like us. They have a soft spot for us for some reason. They freaking hate Iowa though.