Not our greatest export so please keep him lol
Kansas to Big 10?
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I agree that it matters for getting into grad schools, absolutely for some majors. It matters for a very small handful of companies for certain types of positions. But for a vast majority of people once you are in the workforce it simply doesn’t matter. Promotions up the ranks to pretty high levels are decided with zero consideration for where you got your undergrad. There’s a reason when you look at surveys of employers ranking their satisfaction by school they don’t correlate very well with US News.
There is a whole stupid arrogance on hiring people from certain schools that a lot of companies have a hard on for. I dont agree with it but i have taken advantage of it.
And I'd argue that "quality of education" includes things like faculty mentoring, industry connections, in-roads to elite grad programs.
Don't disagree that a biology undergrad program at School A and School B won't be that much difference in terms of curriculum, activities, field work, etc. The difference is the doors that it opens.
Lol, seriously? 25% of the SEC is ranked below #140. Not a single B1G school is ranked below #140. All but one B1G school is ranked #88 or higher. Only four of the SEC's 14 schools are ranked #88 or higher.
There's just a different world going on out there. Same reason people send their kids to elite prep schools on the East Coast. They get them into the Ivy's, which unlocks the doors to the financial kingdom. Just the way it is. My older daughter is studying elementary ed at ISU, plans to teach either in the DSM area or maybe up in Minney which is where a lot of the friends she's made are from. And that makes me happy. Same thing with the Mississippi St. students, if they want to graduate and have a nice career in or around that area, it's perfect. My only point is that the Northwesterns, Michigans, Illinois, Wisconsins, etc. (obviously just from the B1G) are going to open the kind of 1% career doors that Mississippi St. just won't for the most part. And that's what builds perceptions on "quality of education" between schools.
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It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy too where the only people you see around you and work with are from those top universities so people just keep repeating what's worked. A lot of very good candidates get left behind or never brought through the door in the first place.
What factors are you using in your model? Please do elaborate. The B1G Ten commish said decisions made today will impact the next 50 years of the sport. Are you forecasting for 40-50 years in the future? Have you talked to University Presidents, Athletic Directors, Executives of Amazon, Apple, FOX or ESPN to understand what they will value most in the next 10, 15, 50 years down the road? A team making the playoffs earns their conference major $. Iowa State would have made a 12 team playoff last year and are currently projected to make a 12 team playoff this year. Perhaps an up and coming program with a superstar young coach is very attractive for that reason. Did you factor that in? How much does ISU bring on the academic side classified as an AAU school? How much weight does that hold with University Presidents? Did you factor all of that into your formula? Iowa State is a perfect fit geographically. Im sure that factors into your formula even if only in a small way. Iowa State has great facilities and currently the largest football stadium in the Big 12 (outside of OU and Texas) and an AD committed to making constant improvements. Was that factored in? ISU has an absolutely rabid basketball fanbase and Hilton is widely considered one of the top venues in college basketball. Fanbase POURS $ into conference and NCAA tourneys. Did you enter that into your computer?
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I am not refuting any of those things. I sincerely believe we deserve a seat at the table. I just think it won’t be in the big 10. No statistical/machine learning model can predict the future. We are allowed to disagree. All of the things you say have value to us as fans. It’s why I am at every game. I am also fully aware of comments made by Bob Bowlsby in regards to the Big 12 value in potential tv contract negotiations (-50%). That puts each school media value around 17-20 million per school. Every other power conference Makes more than that. So what is their motivation to add those schools? It’s the reason the big 12 never expanded past 10.
As I have repeatedly said, I don’t know the models used by tv companies. I just don’t see how any of those 8 teams can add anything to the current makeup of conferences as they stand right now. It breaks my heart, but that reality is looking more and more likely.
USC isn’t leaving the Pac 12. If they do, it won’t be without UCLA. USC is private, but they are tied to UCLA in more ways than we could imagine. Having talked to people that went to both schools, they both agreed. I just don’t see those two schools making the change. The Pac 12 is huge on non revenue sports. This realignment stems from football. Don’t put too much stock into any of the USC rumors you see.
Slightly different scenario of WVU fleeing a dying conference and USC, a founding member of the Pac, fleeing to be a west coast team in an east coast conference.
Others already debunked it.
Was thinking more just general TV sets but apparently bars having games on doesn't count any more.
So I was wrong. And now you can feel satisfied.
I wouldn't say all the cards. The mega conference is still looking to add some schools and it all depends who says yes or do the schools who decline risk being left out of something bigger down the road. Not too many dominos have to fall for the ACC and PAC to collapse. Then all the Big 10 can do is pick up the remaining pieces. The Mega conference isn't going to play anyone outside of their conference. They will have their own playoff and championship with no NCAA telling them what to do. So really it is up to the Big 10 to save college football make sure Ohio State and Michigan are happy, plus leave the Pac intact and form some sort of alliance. Hopefully the two conferences will at least be nice enough to absorb the remainder of the Big 12 to form 2 decent conferences with the champion of each conference playing against each other for the championship.
Not so fast....did you play every team in the Big 14? We played every team in our conference and had the best record. So really we are the champs. If you won the Big 10 West you would consider yourselves the Big West Champions and ride that for everything it is worth. Granted you would lose in the actual conference championship. Doesn't seem fair to have to play a team twice like Oklahoma when we already beat them to be considered the champions. And that's why we didn't have a conference championship game because it was already decided on the field with our round Robin play. Until the playoff committee started holding it against us.
But do you invest? Do you envision the future of not just the sport, but the entire marketing landscape. I ask because I have my whole life. The PC, the internet, search engines, social platforms: I foresaw all of that. You continue to see ISU as a microcosm of your pessimism. Instead try imagining how you'd prefer to watch football in 10 years, 20 years, 30 years. Your statistical modeling is predicated on an existing paradigm which I'm 100% certain won't even exist in 10 years. Maybe you should provide some examples of your statistical modeling so you can lend some credibility to your statements. Even if ISU comes up short in all this, I am still 100% confident the SEC power move will come up even shorter. The numbers and egos just do not support the money being thrown at it. The future of CFP is the product 'as a whole'; not just a few elite teams. And the product is stronger in numbers. PERIOD.
My guess is the B1G doesn't need 'expansion' to keep up, but rather a cohesive plan with all conferences to maintain the quality of college football.
