Kansas to Big 10?

[scyclonekid]

Conferences and some AD’s are hush. That’s good cause so many click bait ******** are throwing **** on the wall with no source. So I’ll play the game we’re going to big ten 100%. Reasons, AAU school, geographically fit, put fans in stadiums home and away, really good wrestling program to boot. Our football program is very hot so strike the iron while it’s hot and our men’s basketball ball program is gonna be back to championship level sooner than later. We travel well so fuller stadiums and more money. See I can be a Twitter person too.

 

[CyCrazy]

Nebraska was AAU when added rutgers probably wouldn't be added now unless they really thought the market had a ton of value like it did 10 years ago.

Lol they were losing it before the invite.

 

[scyclonekid]

Huh? lol..I was defending ISU reason's for being in the BIG..lol.

I know lol I’m sorry I didn’t mean like that to you, but to the downers of 2010 realignment.

 

[isucy86]

They wont even sniff the amount of money the big ten schools will make in a new media deal (they don't even come that close now) as long as they stay in the Pac12. That's the reason they would move and their brand is what the Big Ten wants.

Agree 100%. Money will be the driving force to have Pac12 schools join the Big10.

A 2-3 hour charter flight is nothing. It's not like they will be doing it every week, maybe 3 times over a 13 week period.

The key for the Pac12 schools and Big10 is how many Pac12 teams as a group can be added without diluting the expected per school media revenue for the existing Big10 schools in their next contract.

Ideally for the Pac12 and probably Big10, there are at least 6 Pac12 schools that could be added to the Big10 without diluting per school media revenue.

The Big10 schools might even make an exception to the dilution issue if it meant adding Stanford & Cal.

 

[Naddafinga]

Hey!
Let's all take a deep breath & just remember that I started this thread.

 

[Cyched]

Hey!
Let's all take a deep breath & just remember that I started this thread.

This is out of your hands now

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Agree 100%. Money will be the driving force to have Pac12 schools join the Big10.

A 2-3 hour charter flight is nothing. It's not like they will be doing it every week, maybe 3 times over a 13 week period.

The key for the Pac12 schools and Big10 is how many Pac12 teams as a group can be added without diluting the expected per school media revenue for the existing Big10 schools in their next contract.

Ideally for the Pac12 and probably Big10, there are at least 6 Pac12 schools that could be added to the Big10 without diluting per school media revenue.

The Big10 schools might even make an exception to the dilution issue if it meant adding Stanford & Cal.

Stanford yes but Cal wouldn't get the nod unless the other cali schools leveraged it in the move. If the big went to 20 then it would be USC, Oregon, Washington, UCLA, Colorado, and Stanford. I personally would rather have ISU then Colorado but that's just what i am hearing.

EDIT: What i am hearing if they went to 20. Most likely is just a move to 16 with USC and Oregon but talks are being had.

 

[Pope]

Mississippi State has the #2 Landscape Architecture program in the nation. You trying to tell me if you have a Bachelors in that from there in that they are going to say "no thanks your schools overall ranking is in the 200's you should have done that program at a Big 10 school"? Probably not. Just like Criminal Justice at Central Missouri State. It's one of the best in America.

Warning: You should never drive through Mississippi with your windows down or someone will throw a diploma in your car.

 

[Cyched]

Warning: You should never drive through Mississippi.

No need to elaborate further

 

[isucy86]

Stanford yes but Cal wouldn't get the nod unless the other cali schools leveraged it in the move. If the big went to 20 then it would be USC, Oregon, Washington, UCLA, Colorado, and Stanford. I personally would rather have ISU then Colorado but that's just what i am hearing.

EDIT: What i am hearing if they went to 20. Most likely is just a move to 16 with USC and Oregon but talks are being had.

I struggle with how only adding 2 Pac12 teams makes sense from a travel perspective. Especially, for basketball and Olympic sports.

At some point it feels like conferences are getting too big for sports where teams ideally play each other home/road each year like hoops. I guess that's where geographic pods make sense.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Yeah, that's along the lines of my ag reference. I've no doubt that Mississippi St. has some programs they do better. But you're really not talking about the masses of students who are majoring in things like business, biology, education, chemistry, communications, pre-professional programs, etc. Yeah if I want to be a veterinarian I'm going to ISU and being happy with it. But if you're in the more common majors that are shared by all major public universities, there's no way a kid from Mississippi St. is going to be as highly regarded as a kid from Michigan. And a big part of it is the industry/business connections they gain from faculty that's just flat out superior.

A person that attends and gradates from Michigan or Texas or Harvard gain two things over a grad from ISU or TT. Having those schools are going to get you an interview and the people that you get a opportunity to meet and know in college, because of their last name might allow you to start further up the corp. ladder and thereby helping you in the future. It's not what you know but who you know.

The actual quality of education difference for 95% of the programs for most people is very small. You are paying for the name and contacts not the quality of education you will receive.

 

[StLouisClone]

West Virginia was willing to join the Big 12 for the money so I suppose USC could do the same with the Big 10. But at some point, do you ask yourself whether the extra money is worth it? Isn't college football better off with USC playing its rivals on the west coast?

 

[ISUTex]

I'm the first to agree that US News rankings are flawed in many ways, but they're still used, here's SEC:

• Vanderbilt: 14
• Florida: 30
• Georgia: 47
• Texas A&M: 66
• Auburn: 97
• Tennessee: 112
• South Carolina: 118
• Missouri: 124
• Kentucky: 133
• Alabama: 143
• LSU: 153
• Arkansas: 160
• Ole Miss: 160
• Mississippi State: 206

Here's B1G:

• Northwestern – 9
• Michigan – 24
• Wisconsin – 42
• Illinois – 47
• Purdue/Ohio State – 53
• Maryland – 58
• Rutgers/Penn State – 63
• Minnesota – 66
• Indiana – 76
• MSU – 80
• Iowa – 88
• Nebraska – 133

So yeah, 60% of the SEC is ranked lower than #100. Only one B1G school is ranked lower than #100.

those rankings are flawed. As you said. Still, the SEC rankings aren't horrible. You make it sound like the SEC is nothing but a bunch of Boise States.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I struggle with how only adding 2 Pac12 teams makes sense from a travel perspective. Especially, for basketball and Olympic sports.

At some point it feels like conferences are getting too big for sports where teams ideally play each other home/road each year like hoops. I guess that's where geographic pods make sense.

Sadly we are already there in the big ten for basketball. A lot of teams only play each other once unless its a protected rival. Although I think one year michigan and sparty only played once but my memory could be flawed.

 

[ISUTex]

Sorry, no. Unless it's in ag or something. But a BA/BS from Mississippi St. is absolutely not going to be regarded on the same level as a BA/BS from Michigan, Wisco, Illinois, etc. Not even close.

People who give one candidate the nod over another simply based on where they went to college, shouldn't be hiring people in the first place.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

A person that attends and gradates from Michigan or Texas or Harvard gain two things over a grad from ISU or TT. Having those schools are going to get you an interview and the people that you get a opportunity to meet and know in college, because of their last name might allow you to start further up the corp. ladder and thereby helping you in the future. It's not what you know but who you know.

The actual quality of education difference for 95% of the programs for most people is very small. You are paying for the name and contacts not the quality of education you will receive.

Totally agree with the quality of education bit. That falls squarely on the student how much they want to get out of their time at college. I went to both Michigan and Michigan state and the quality of the professors I had were the same in my opinion.

I will say that I have gotten jobs/opportunities' solely because of my Michigan degree though as some companies specifically recruit specific schools or have had success with previous grads from the school so they try to go back to the well. But again each school has programs they are known for.

 

[WFBClone]

Warning: You should never drive through Mississippi with your windows down or someone will throw a diploma in your car.

Academic issues at self-proclaimed research institutions center on doctoral programs and research expenditures, not bachelor's degrees. In the most recent reporting year, Mississippi State awarded 160 research Ph.D's; Wisconisn awarded 740. West Virginia awarded 194, Minnesota awarded 609. Check out the Common Data Set for any research university on its web site and you should be able to find doctoral research degrees awarded. This information is very important at instiutions that claim they are research universities. Large numbers of research Ph.D's awarded are associated with a strong emphasis on graduate education and substantial external funding. Institutions can claim they are big-time research universities, but there is tremendous difference between Oklahoma awarding 212 and Purdue awarding 808.

 

[deadeyededric]

Totally agree with the quality of education bit. That falls squarely on the student how much they want to get out of their time at college. I went to both Michigan and Michigan state and the quality of the professors I had were the same in my opinion.

I will say that I have gotten jobs/opportunities' solely because of my Michigan degree though as some companies specifically recruit specific schools or have had success with previous grads from the school so they try to go back to the well. But again each school has programs they are known for.

I think Steve Deace when I think Michigan State.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I think Steve Deace when I think Michigan State.

I had to google who that was

 

[deadeyededric]

I had to google who that was

Please take him home!