Pac-12 to decide whether to expand within a couple weeks

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Pelt me with dumb emojis all you want. Find me PAC 12 enthusiasm for Iowa State. I can't.
 

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Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC Alliance expected to be announced soon, possibly next week


So are you guys going to fire frost before the season, or are you going to wait til he loses 8 games again and pretend that it’s the coaches, not the terrible athletic department that is responsible for you guys falling to mediocre status
 

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I'm sorry, someone is going to have to explain to me why I'm getting dumbed out of the building here...

Cincinnati -- Former "power conference" member of the Big East. Expand east and give WVU a natural conference rival.
Houston and SMU --- Former "power conference" members of the SWC, natural fit.
BYU -- never in a "power conference" per se, but hold more clout as an Independent than as an AAC/Mtn West conference team, large fan base too.

Honorable mention for Rice, also as a former member of the SWC. We already have TCU and Baylor, and in this hypothetical we'd have BYU. Might as well add another Christian school to the mix and you could add them over Cincinnati since everyone is weird about "city" colleges being in a power conference.

This solution makes sense if we're adding teams. No directional schools (which I agree with) and only 1 or 2 at most, city colleges, which I'm sorry, I don't understand why that's weird.

The problem is using the SWC as a reason to add teams is a bad idea. I get it was a long time ago, but it was a disaster of a conference once, well everyone wasn't hardcore cheating and Arkansas left. It couldn't be sustained even with Texas and Texas A&M.

Same goes for the Big East. It was a power conference only temporarily, still hanging on after the good teams in the league bolted for the ACC.

Yes, Cincy makes sense, Houston makes some sense, BYU and somebody else like UCF, Memphis, etc.

But those two leagues had nicknames - the Southworst Conference and the Big Least for a reason. I get we can't be picky, but if the Big 12 does expand, they have to make the absolute right 4 (or whatever number it is) choices, or the league will be dead.
 

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K-State's last president is president at Washington State. A $2 billion federal lab is about to open in Manhattan. The school has played a lot of P12 football teams over the past couple of decades and beat them.

I’m not dogging KSU in this but responding to a guy who thinks the Pac-12 would take them and UNL-effing-V ahead of Iowa State if it was to add four schools.

KSU belongs in a power league but in my view is weaker on the metrics that count than ISU is for conference membership.
 

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K-State's last president is president at Washington State. A $2 billion federal lab is about to open in Manhattan. The school has played a lot of P12 football teams over the past couple of decades and beat them.

Sometimes when it really sucks being an ISU fan, I liketo read KSU fans posts so I know it can always be worse.
 

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I’m assuming reading your past posts you’re a Nebraska fan. So I’m wondering if they’re going to continue to pretend it’s the coaches, not the overall way Osborne ruined the structure of the ad to make sure every coach that followed him failed
 

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Texas showed that the uneven revenue model doesn't work. The big brands must recognize their league peers as equals, or they will always ask for more. The SEC and B1G have equal revenue sharing, and they are more stable for it.
I don't think that's the conclusion I would draw. I don't think Texas is leaving the Big 12 because it's uneven distribution and the SEC is evenly distributed. They fear getting left in the dust by the SEC. They saw the Big 12 as having a limited ceiling, and while they could have squeezed more out of the others in the league, probably understand that you can only do that so much before those teams can't compete any more and your league becomes a joke.

Now, I think for Ohio State they have been able to do so well financially and on the field, that they can see the merits of the rising tide approach in the Big 10. But if the SEC starts blowing them away financially and on the field consistently, I think they might get a little restless.

I agree, you can't have such an uneven distribution that the rest of your league turns into a joke. But Ohio State getting $75 million from media while Rutgers and Purdue get $45 isn't going to destabilize the league. If any of the teams in the Big 10 outside of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and possibly Wisconsin start feeling like they deserve the same as those schools, they better think twice.
 

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It has gotten awfully quiet on the B12 front which leads me to believe something is up.
THIS is something many are missing....Bowlsby went from pissed to full radio silence in .01 seconds. He doesn't do that unless something big...and positive...is happening behind the scenes. What that "big" thing may be is very unclear at this point...but there is something.