IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.

[jbhtexas]

Those conferences all know that they aren't getting poached at the moment. No one in the Big 12 can agree to any agreement right now because they will all accept an invitation to one of those three when it is extended so any sort of agreement including the Big 12 is transparently meaningless. I do think that those conferences want to see as much extracted from OU and UT as possible and they are willing to let the Big 12 stand so as to achieve that goal. There's zero reason to make an official move before OU and UT leaving is imminent.

To extract the maximum money possible from UT/OU/ESPN/SEC:
1) No Remaining 8 teams would be picked up by Big Ten/Pac-12/ACC
2) Once this becomes clear to the Big 12, they will add 2-4 teams and get a media deal, which defines their new media income
3) The Remaining 8 sue OU/UT/ESPN/SEC for the difference between what they will make with their new deal and what they would have received remaining a P5 with OU/UT.

This would be a looonngggg process...

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Those are all big TV markets.

Which mattered 10 years ago but things have drastically shifted away from cable subscriptions.

 

[Legend12]

And we are a top 10 football program. For a conference trying to boost relevance, that matters too, no?

lol

 

[PickSix]

One finish in the top 10 and one preseason top 10 ranking does not make us a "Top 10 program". We need to pump the brakes a little bit on the status of our football program...especially while disparaging other programs. We've played in one NY6 bowl game, have never won a conference championship, have only ever played in one conference championship game, etc. We do not have much history of success, and no history of sustained success. We are one CMC leaving away from going back to 3-9 and 4-8 seasons. There have been numerous flash-in-the-pan programs, and right now that is the perception of ISU. If we can finish in or around the Top 10 this year and next, AND retain CMC, then we can start talking about sustained success.

Not with that attitude.

 

[JM4CY]

Sorry but Stanz's piece about the alliance was pretty silly. What if anything happens "immediately" when it comes to major shifts like this? New conference expansion, BCS, CFP, etc., it all happens years out from when first announced. Sounded like he was upset the B1G, ACC, PAC didn't come out and say today we've decided to fairly and equitably divvy up the remaining Big 12 schools in a way that's going to make everyone happy.

Of course this alliance is first and foremost about a voting bloc to blunt the SECESPN stranglehold on the CFP. Of course any scheduling alliance will happen down the road to avoid screwing with currently arranged OOC schedules. No one should be surprised by that.

I actually agree with this.

 

[jbhtexas]

Of course this alliance is first and foremost about a voting bloc to blunt the SECESPN stranglehold on the CFP.

Which answers the SEC question posed above to the ACC commish's comments, if the Big 12 is important, why aren't they in the alliance? Because, the Alliance doesn't need the Big 12 votes right now.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Sorry but Stanz's piece about the alliance was pretty silly. What if anything happens "immediately" when it comes to major shifts like this? New conference expansion, BCS, CFP, etc., it all happens years out from when first announced. Sounded like he was upset the B1G, ACC, PAC didn't come out and say today we've decided to fairly and equitably divvy up the remaining Big 12 schools in a way that's going to make everyone happy.

Of course this alliance is first and foremost about a voting bloc to blunt the SECESPN stranglehold on the CFP. Of course any scheduling alliance will happen down the road to avoid screwing with currently arranged OOC schedules. No one should be surprised by that.

I'm seeing a lot of thought along those lines, and I think it's because they expected more concrete answers to emerge way more quickly than was realistic. I heard nothing today that was particularly disturbing. Best case, they're waiting for the Big 12 exit settlements to take place before publicly discussing specific options, and worst case, it sounds like they're ready to support a reconstituted Big 12 as still Power 5 if it comes to that.

 

[jdoggivjc]

The Ag research and innovation that can be done by combining Iowa State and Purdue in a research partnership could also literally be life altering to a huge chunk of the planet. That's not hyperbole either.

I would think Michigan State as well.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Streaming is gaining momentum but it does not outweigh cable $.... or even close for that matter.. but no doubt will continue to eat at the %.

Cable subscribers are dying.

 

[AuH2O]

Streaming is gaining momentum but it does not outweigh cable $.... or even close for that matter.. but no doubt will continue to eat at the %.

It’s not simply about streaming. It’s also about ad value as well as shifting within cable and satellite to more stripped down packages that don’t include sports networks, certainly fewer that include the second tier channels.
The point is everything is pushing toward value coming from actual interest vs market size. Both still matter, but actual interest continues to influence value more and more.

 

[Gonzo]

Which answers the SEC question posed above to the ACC commish's comments, if the Big 12 is important, why aren't they in the alliance? Because, their votes aren't needed right now.

Agree. But does anyone really think they're going to say that?

 

[KnappShack]

Cable subscribers are dying.

Like..... literally.

 

[Gonzo]

I'm seeing a lot of thought along those lines, and I think it's because they expected more concrete answers to emerge way more quickly than was realistic. I heard nothing today that was particularly disturbing. Best case, they're waiting for the Big 12 exit settlements to take place before publicly discussing specific options, and worst case, it sounds like they're ready to support a reconstituted Big 12 as still Power 5 if it comes to that.

Agree. And to say this was a charade or meaningless because it doesn't involve contracts or legally binding agreements... well, OuT were contractually obligated to not ditch the Big 12. How'd that work out?

 

[JM4CY]

Agree. But does anyone really think they're going to say that?

I think the media in large part is circle jerking itself because in many cases their own livelihoods are at play too. And many of them just generally do a shitass job anyway so having to cover a real story isn’t going to go well for them.

 

[CYTUTT]

SECESPN - pronounced CESSPEN!

 

[Gonzo]

I think the media in large part is circle jerking itself because in many cases their own livelihoods are at play too. And many of them just generally do a shitass job anyway so having to cover a real story isn’t going to go well for them.

Agree. Too many of them just spew opinions on what might happen without having any kind of real clue.

 

[BryceC]

Which mattered 10 years ago but things have drastically shifted away from cable subscriptions.

There are a lot less cable subs now than there were but those are still driving the funding for ESPN and Fox and are driving what they are passing on to conferences. The amount of money made from streaming for these conferences is very, very little.

ESPN just reupped their deal with MLB in May. They are only broadcasting 30 Sunday night games and the Wild card series'. They are paying 550 million per year to do this.

Also in May, ESPN acquired the rights to La Liga, the Spanish soccer league, for 175 million per year.

The NFL Contracts went from about 5.9 billion per year total to about 10 billion per year total starting next year, of which ESPN was a major factor.

Very little of these increases and new contracts are funded by streaming. TV is still king even though it's declining.

 

[Cyclones1969]

I gotta admit...I didn't envision I'd be posting about Dave Wannstedt today.

I think that’s more of a you thing than the rest of the world.

 

[Cyclones1969]

From what I've seen, there is no reporting on this.

You have Wanny saying something happened at the Fox meetings. You have no reporters or sourced individuals saying this. You've got one guy. That's not reporting, that heresay IMO, and he was hardly the only guy in those meetings. Again, when UT and OU went down, within the same day, we had all kinds of sports reporters confirming it and comments from heavy hitters within the conferences. We don't have any of that in this case. Again, if we get ACTUAL reporting on this, I'll change my tune.

So you actually believe all that other reporting?

 

[jdoggivjc]

As weird as it might sound....ISU in the Big 10 does make this place seem a little better. Of course all bets are off and my attitude plummets when our 5 months of winter starts.

I really believe if ISU went to the Big Ten the fans would almost instantly consider us like a long term member or wonder why we weren't in the league from the beginning

Baked in rivals for football - NU and Iowa with Minnesota a strong possibility for a third.

Basketball rivals - NU (because of Fred), Iowa, Kansas just to start....

We even got our nickname playing Northwestern!

Makes too much sense

I've lived in Michigan for more than a decade. People here already can't believe we're not a member of the Big 10. I'm telling you - among the fans, with the exception of tavern hoks, the idea of ISU in the Big 10 is not only not hated, it's actually welcome. It's always been a matter of if the school presidents see enough value to make it so.