IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.

[Didley]

How feasible would it be to renovate Hilton to accommodate hockey? Several pro arenas have NBA and NHL games in same building.

Also could we play at Wells Fargo arena in Des Moines?

I know that I remember going to a hockey game at Hilton in 1997. They hosted the tournament there. Has that not happened since then? I haven't followed it closely.

 

[Cyforce]

This should be the poster child for Dbag response.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

It’s not happening. We need to face the music. I keep reading posts about us having a top 10 football program. C’mon. Let’s be real. We are NOT a top ten program. If you believe that because we are ranked in top ten, then you must also believe that we have the worst P5 basketball program. We cannot have it both ways. It doesn’t work that way.

Programs are built over time on sustained results and tradition. As of right now, we have neither.


Iowa State has been ranked 66 weeks in the AP poll, which is 85 years of AP polling. That is less than one week, per year, in which they are considered one of the 20 or 25 best teams.

Four times (3 in the last year, including this preseason) they were in the top 10, with an all-time high of 7th this year.

In 82 of those 85 years, not a single week were they considered to be one of the ten best teams in the nation, and only one week in 2002, two in 2020, and the one week so far this year.

In 70 of those 85 years, there wasn't as single week in which they were ranked at anytime.

Their 66 poll appearances is good for 10th place in the current Big 12 conference, dead last by 43 weeks behind Kansas, who is 9th in the conference. Iowa State, historically, is the worst team as far as rankings in the Big 12 all-time, and it is not even close. They have been ranked 5.6% of the weeks, with an average ranking of 18th when they were ranked.

Sustained results are what builds a program. We are running, and may have already run, out of time.

 

[Stormin]

I know that I remember going to a hockey game at Hilton in 1997. They hosted the tournament there. Has that not happened since then? I haven't followed it closely.

Went to a Hockey Game at Hilton in the ‘70’s. We have had Club Hockey for Decades.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Personal attacks are not ok. I am a loyal son, forever true and I’ve not said anything untrue. I’m just despondent at our situation. And anyone looking at things objectively would be as well. We are owed answers from our administrative leaders.

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Serious question but what the f*ck does that even mean?

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I think the Big 10, the PAC 12, and the ACC are going to publicly say that they are not expecting to expand, but they are secretly making plans to do so on the DL. I think part of their “gentlemen’s agreement” between conferences is to try and make the SEC, Texas, and OU pay out as much as possible. If they go poaching the Big 12 leftovers now that kind of messes things up. I think they’ve agreed not to do that publicly yet.

These three conferences are absolutely all working together.

 

[AuH2O]

FYI: Bitter KSU fan

Protip for youtubers. Check the mirror for collar placement first.

 

[jcyclonee]

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More wisdom from a dude with a mustache.

 

[Primetime26]

Yes I agree $ is the not only incredibly important, but the most important thing.

You don't think ESPN will/isn't already doing all it can to road block the streaming platforms? They are in the cat bird seat

It’s not simply about streaming. It’s also about ad value as well as shifting within cable and satellite to more stripped down packages that don’t include sports networks, certainly fewer that include the second tier channels.
The point is everything is pushing toward value coming from actual interest vs market size. Both still matter, but actual interest continues to influence value more and more.

Right, I forgot cable doesn't make any $ off adds its only on streaming platforms.

 

[ISU_Guy]

I like the hockey enthusiasm, but jeepers....if you need to add sports to meet a requirement you probably don't start with Hockey.
Men's Soccer is probably the no-brainer. already have a nice facility that could easily be enhanced with little money and the sport itself its cheap to run. If its about meeting a requirement and $$$ than that would be where I would start, not to mention Soccer is growing in US popularity, etc.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

So, looking at what's happened...

There seems to be the ESPN/SEC vision for CFB, and then there seems to be the ACC/Big Ten/Pac-12 vision that doesn't like various apsects of the ESPN/SEC vision.

It seems apparent that the ESPN/SEC vision doesn't want five power conferences. Based on past ruminations from ESPNers, it seems they perhaps favor four super conferences.

But how many power conferences does the ACC/Big Ten/Pac-12 vision entail? Do they think there should be five (or maybe even more) power conferences, or do they agree with the ESPN/SEC vision of four? That's one of the primary questions that will determine what happens next.

If the ACC/Big Ten/Pac-12 think five power conferences is a good number, they likely aren't going to add any of the R8 teams to their conferences, and the Big 12 would likely be the vehicle to bring more teams into P5.

The only recent comment I've seen about how many power conferences there should be came from ACC commish Jim Phillips yesterday, “We want and need the Big 12 to do well. The [Big] 12 matters in college athletics. The Big 12 matters in Power 5 athletics.” If you believe that these comments are well-scripted, then there should be a reason for this statement.

I think those comments speak more towards the schools than the Big 12 conference as a whole. The ultimate goal of the B1G,Pac, and ACC is to be in a super league WITH the SEC but they want to make sure everyone is on equal ground. The SEC got caught stacking the deck and if this would have went through it would have been a disaster for those leagues. I interpreted those comments about the Big 12 as we know there is value in those teams and they deserve to be a part of this.

 

[SCNCY]

I like the hockey enthusiasm, but jeepers....if you need to add sports to meet a requirement you probably don't start with Hockey.
Men's Soccer is probably the no-brainer. already have a nice facility that could easily be enhanced with little money and the sport itself its cheap to run. If its about meeting a requirement and $$$ than that would be where I would start, not to mention Soccer is growing in US popularity, etc.

Yeah, if you need to add sports, add sports in which we already have facilities for. You can include men's swimming and diving to that list as well.

 

[ISUcyclones11]

IF we go to the b10... I hope we play KSU every year. The game has been played every year since 1917.

That would be really tough if they couldn't get into the Pac 12 unfortunately.

I love Farmageddon but I don't think it's a rivalry that lasts

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I would advise against that. Those combo arenas are horrible for basketball. The baseline seats are flat and so far away from the court.

Wells Fargo Arena is the worst place I've watched a basketball game. The site lines are absolutely terrible from behind the basket. However, Sprint Center in KC was designed really well for it. The adjustable seating behind the baskets was a game changer. The top half of the lower level gets really steep so it doesn't feel nearly as far away.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

That would be really tough if they couldn't get into the Pac 12 unfortunately.

I love Farmageddon but I don't think it's a rivalry that lasts

I don’t think it would continue annually even if we got in the B1G and they got in the Pac-12 because they would play KU annually or maybe semi-annually in a B1G/Pac game.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Yeah, if you need to add sports, add sports in which we already have facilities for. You can include men's swimming and diving to that list as well.

Yes, Men's swimming and diving would make sense but I would argue that if we made the jump to the B1G a new aquatics center would probably get built. Beyer is a friggin dump.

 

[NWICY]

Couldn't Hockey be at minimum a break even revenue sport? Popular with fans. (Especially if they sell beer) Recruiting, they are basically in the middle of a Jr. A league. (USHL)

I'd be shocked if it would break even. I believe only FB and MBB make money, both WBB and VB (both pretty successful and fairly well attended compared to national averages lose money.)

 

[BCClone]

I'd be shocked if it would break even. I believe only FB and MBB make money, both WBB and VB (both pretty successful and fairly well attended compared to national averages lose money.)

Would guess wrestling is the closest to breaking even out of the olympic sports. They have several donors that are sport specific.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Yeah, if you need to add sports, add sports in which we already have facilities for. You can include men's swimming and diving to that list as well.

Pretty much gotta add women's sports to abide by title 9. Football and basketball are huge money, gotta balance it all.

 

[theshadow]

Alrighty then, so if we do get into the big ten, does that finally bring baseball back for those people clamoring for it? I think there are some people who need to be opening up their checkbooks and making a large donation if they do. I says it's HOCKEY TIME!

Also, wonder if KU will have to add wrestling.

No, no, and no.