IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.

[Cydkar]

This is from the PAC 12 guru on the west coast John Wilner. I would think he has some sources, if PAC expansion was serious. The Big 12 being snapped up from other leagues doesn't look good. It looks more like they want to give lip service to "the Big 12 matters" and then turn around and leave them out of decision making, scheduling and try and further distance the P4 from the B12.

Quote from ACC commissioner:
You cannot very well form a partnership designed to “stabilize a volatile environment,” in the words of ACC commissioner Jim Phillips, then implement a strategy that creates instability. You cannot very well adhere to the belief that the Big 12 “matters in college athletics” (also Phillips), then actively participate in its undoing.

Quote from PAC commissioner:
You cannot very well say “the things you can achieve by expanding are things we can achieve by the relationships we announced this morning” with the alliance — as Kliavkoff told Sports Illustrated — and then turn around and expand.

Wilner in the article:
In addition to the lack of obvious economic and institutional fits, there is another piece to consider — perhaps the most important piece of all: There is zero indication the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors want to expand.
***This goes to the cultural and academic fit between the leagues and the premise I have mentioned that the PAC 12 won't expand unless paid to do so from ESPN, maybe FOX on a lesser basis.

Pac-12 stock report: Expansion calculation changes (slightly), UCLA’s big chance, ASU’s huge loss and some help for the Big 12

The alliance created with the Big Ten and ACC is designed to add stability to the college sports landscape. That makes it tougher for the Pac-12 to justify expansion.

www.mercurynews.com

I really hope fans of remaining B12 schools, AAC & MWC tune out of national broadcasts involving the P4 leagues to show CFB it needs to remain a national sport and be more inclusive.

I doubt that I'll watch any non-B12 games. I will bet on them but I won't watch.

 

[laminak]

FFS if BVDV were still running the ISU AD I’d believe tavern Hok taunts that we’re on our way to the MAC.

If BVDV were still running the ISU AD, he’d decline an invite to the PAC, trying to get into the Big 10, then settle for the MAC.

 

[2speedy1]

Something we also need to consider with all of this, that a few media members have briefly mentioned.

The ACC has a terrible Media Deal, and they want to and need to renegotiate it to hope to get a better deal and keep their members happy.

It appears they have a clause in the contract that a significant change in membership would open up the contract to new negotiations.

It has been discussed that any 1 team outside of ND might not be significant enough change to trigger the clause. They hope to with WVU but it isn't a for sure thing from what I have read. So with that if ND still refuses to join and they see them joining as unlikely at any point in the near future, they may take 2 teams. Who the second team is, could be anyone's guess

I believe the ACC needs to expand just as much as the PAC to be able to renegotiate their contract, by triggering this clause. I think all of these conferences are saying the safe stuff in public but know they must do something else behind closed doors. Each of these conferences have reasons to expand, some more than others.

The biggest concern for the ACC is if they trigger this clause does it void their current GOR and allow the B1G or SEC to strike, and try to steal members, making it a double edge sword.

 

[NorthCyd]

Wilner is as plugged in with the Pac-12 as it gets. So it may be dumb but I have no doubt that he knows as much as anyone of what the Pac-12 brass are thinking. It’s quite possible that they decide to do the thing we believe is dumb.

It would be beyond dumb. If they let H8 form a new Big 12 that conference would not only have better overall teams, but would also probably have better TV ratings. They have some serious problems caused by them being isolated on the west coast that they need to address or they will be right back to 5th place in the pecking order.

 

[Cyched]

If BVDV were still running the ISU AD, he’d decline an invite to the PAC, trying to get into the Big 10, then settle for the MAC.

Too bad we don’t have Karl Malone to demand he be fired like La Tech did

 

[enisthemenace]

I’m on post 520, which is a little over half way through. Is there anything different over the course of the next 20 some pages, or can I skip to the end?

 

[MugNight]

How would Iowa save us?

I can foresee the narrative in hok country that our presence in the B1G hinges on Iowa’s vote for yes - as if they gave permission for us to be there.

 

[Die4Cy]

I’m on post 520, which is a little over half way through. Is there anything different over the course of the next 20 some pages, or can I skip to the end?

Read every third page just to get the gist.

 

[Cyched]

How would Iowa save us?

Hawk fans make me feel better about myself every day

 

[Cyclonepride]

You are correct it is complete "double speak". Of course it means the B12 institutions received something of value if they are all placed somewhere but that's not what the remaining leagues seem to want. Instead they are trying to diminish the B12.

Also, note two of those quotes are from the ACC & PAC commissioners not the writer.

I can't see how at the end of the week now the PAC will announce its moving forward with considering expansion.

Double speak typically happens when either A) an issue is completely undecided, but you have to say something or B) when you cannot be totally honest with an answer, but you need to leave yourself openings.

 

[Cloneon]

Read every third page just to get the gist.

Speed read past alignment configurations, certain posters, and focus on posters with 'data' and 'public pieces'. But, that's a lot to wade through. Then, of course, I make the BIG mistake of chiming in. It's an addiction, but not nearly as bad as many others.

 

[jcyclonee]

I’m on post 520, which is a little over half way through. Is there anything different over the course of the next 20 some pages, or can I skip to the end?

It depends. All these realignment threads are kind of melting in to one in my mind.

Is this the one with the JLH/ScarJo gifs?

 

[AuH2O]

Wilner is as plugged in with the Pac-12 as it gets. So it may be dumb but I have no doubt that he knows as much as anyone of what the Pac-12 brass are thinking. It’s quite possible that they decide to do the thing we believe is dumb.

Except he's not even claiming to have information or sources. He's simply taking the quotes for the presser and something WSU's AD said a while back and drawing a super-dumb conclusion, which is that they can't talk about the SEC being predatory, or the Big 12 mattering then turn around and "poach" teams from the Big 12.

I'm guessing a PAC writer that isn't associated with USC or Oregon probably thinks a little more of the conference than an objective person does. He probably thinks the PAC is just going to stand pat, not expand, and all is good. All that needs to happen is negotiate a better media deal the next round for all this great Conference of Champions content that nobody watches and they'll be stable and happy.

I guess if the PAC brass decides to sit out expansion I'll enjoy when the conference can't negotiate a good deal and the top teams leave the conference.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

I’m on post 520, which is a little over half way through. Is there anything different over the course of the next 20 some pages, or can I skip to the end?

If you like opinions based on speculation sprinkled with a bad troll attempt, by all means read away. Otherwise, look at posts by @theshadow @BillBrasky4Cy and @AuH2O and save an hour of your life.

 

[awd4cy]

This is from the PAC 12 guru on the west coast John Wilner. I would think he has some sources, if PAC expansion was serious. The Big 12 being snapped up from other leagues doesn't look good. It looks more like they want to give lip service to "the Big 12 matters" and then turn around and leave them out of decision making, scheduling and try and further distance the P4 from the B12.

Quote from ACC commissioner:
You cannot very well form a partnership designed to “stabilize a volatile environment,” in the words of ACC commissioner Jim Phillips, then implement a strategy that creates instability. You cannot very well adhere to the belief that the Big 12 “matters in college athletics” (also Phillips), then actively participate in its undoing.

Quote from PAC commissioner:
You cannot very well say “the things you can achieve by expanding are things we can achieve by the relationships we announced this morning” with the alliance — as Kliavkoff told Sports Illustrated — and then turn around and expand.

Wilner in the article:
In addition to the lack of obvious economic and institutional fits, there is another piece to consider — perhaps the most important piece of all: There is zero indication the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors want to expand.
***This goes to the cultural and academic fit between the leagues and the premise I have mentioned that the PAC 12 won't expand unless paid to do so from ESPN, maybe FOX on a lesser basis.

Pac-12 stock report: Expansion calculation changes (slightly), UCLA’s big chance, ASU’s huge loss and some help for the Big 12

The alliance created with the Big Ten and ACC is designed to add stability to the college sports landscape. That makes it tougher for the Pac-12 to justify expansion.

www.mercurynews.com

I really hope fans of remaining B12 schools, AAC & MWC tune out of national broadcasts involving the P4 leagues to show CFB it needs to remain a national sport and be more inclusive.

Doesn’t this need to happen swift so nobody loses out on the recruit trail?

I’d be done and would never watch college football again outside of iowa state.

 

[knowlesjam]

It would be beyond dumb. If they let H8 form a new Big 12 that conference would not only have better overall teams, but would also probably have better TV ratings. They have some serious problems caused by them being isolated on the west coast that they need to address or they will be right back to 5th place in the pecking order.

This. The PAC isn't getting any pay raise when they renegotiate their deals unless they expand their product, increase viewership, etc., which will take teams in the Central Time Zone and better matchups. The alliance likely will get them some improved matchups, but no new teams means the same, old, tired PAC network and crappy Saturday times. Nothing like an 8AM kick to spice up attendance. The PAC needs new blood...

 

[awd4cy]

With that said, I love the well if the Big 10 adds iowa state and KU they will just make the pie smaller for the rest of the league. Well yea duh, we aren’t joining next year but when this contract gets renegotiated in 2025, iowa state and KU would still add value to the Big 10. I’m more and more confident we see positive out of this.

 

[Stormin]

With that said, I love the well if the Big 10 adds iowa state and KU they will just make the pie smaller for the rest of the league. Well yea duh, but when this contract gets renegotiated in 2025, iowa state and KU would still add value to the Big 10. I’m more and more confident we see positive out of this.

Big Ten needs additional inventory of games. Those extra games are worth money. Big 12 no longer P5 inventory.

 

[awd4cy]

This. The PAC isn't getting any pay raise when they renegotiate their deals unless they expand their product, increase viewership, etc., which will take teams in the Central Time Zone and better matchups. The alliance likely will get them some improved matchups, but no new teams means the same, old, tired PAC network and crappy Saturday times. Nothing like an 8AM kick to spice up attendance. The PAC needs new blood...

I don’t think there is any way the Pac would pass on many of the remaining Big 12 schools. They would be really dumb to. Think we at worst case scenario end up in the Pac with at least 5 other Big 12 schools.

 

[Gunnerclone]

With that said, I love the well if the Big 10 adds iowa state and KU they will just make the pie smaller for the rest of the league. Well yea duh, we aren’t joining next year but when this contract gets renegotiated in 2025, iowa state and KU would still add value to the Big 10. I’m more and more confident we see positive out of this.

^^^Take note: better sign than Dave Wannstadt or Job Miller^^^