Why would a conference make a long term decision in whether or not to permanently add a university to its conference based on who their head coach is?
IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.
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This is from the PAC 12 guru on the west coast John Wilner. I would think he has some sources, if PAC expansion was serious. The Big 12 being snapped up from other leagues doesn't look good. It looks more like they want to give lip service to "the Big 12 matters" and then turn around and leave them out of decision making, scheduling and try and further distance the P4 from the B12.
Quote from ACC commissioner:
You cannot very well form a partnership designed to “stabilize a volatile environment,” in the words of ACC commissioner Jim Phillips, then implement a strategy that creates instability. You cannot very well adhere to the belief that the Big 12 “matters in college athletics” (also Phillips), then actively participate in its undoing.
Quote from PAC commissioner:
You cannot very well say “the things you can achieve by expanding are things we can achieve by the relationships we announced this morning” with the alliance — as Kliavkoff told Sports Illustrated — and then turn around and expand.
Wilner in the article:
In addition to the lack of obvious economic and institutional fits, there is another piece to consider — perhaps the most important piece of all: There is zero indication the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors want to expand.
***This goes to the cultural and academic fit between the leagues and the premise I have mentioned that the PAC 12 won't expand unless paid to do so from ESPN, maybe FOX on a lesser basis.
Pac-12 stock report: Expansion calculation changes (slightly), UCLA’s big chance, ASU’s huge loss and some help for the Big 12
The alliance created with the Big Ten and ACC is designed to add stability to the college sports landscape. That makes it tougher for the Pac-12 to justify expansion.www.mercurynews.com
I really hope fans of remaining B12 schools, AAC & MWC tune out of national broadcasts involving the P4 leagues to show CFB it needs to remain a national sport and be more inclusive.
How bad do you want Iowa state in the Mac. It is your whole life. Which says everything about the quality of your life.
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Go back to Hawkeye report you insecure loser
It’s almost like it’s being fed to them.
I've been ignoring Hawk fans for decades. This is a problem I could handle.
KU is rumored to the B1G and their football program is one of the worst in the history of P5 football. Lol
I want ISU in the B1G or SEC one of the two Power league super powers.
Some fans not separate commenting on a subject from what you think is reality and from what an individual fan wants? No matter how much you or I want something doesn't mean its likely to happen.
I posted an article the most popular beat writer for the PAC and quotes from the ACC & PAC commissioners and you call my post dumb. You can not like it but it doesn't mean its dumb. It would seem to be pretty relevant and predicting. You don't think direct quotes from two of the 3 commissioners in the alliance are not relevant? I don't like the quotes but it doesn't mean its not relevant.
I hope on Friday the PAC commissioner comes out and says we have found that expansion is profitable for the PAC and will begin moving forward considering candidates. But how does that coincide with this statement from him?
"You cannot very well say “the things you can achieve by expanding are things we can achieve by the relationships we announced this morning” with the alliance — as Kliavkoff told Sports Illustrated — and then turn around and expand."
That says to me things are staying status quo and the Big 12 will be left to decide whether to go to 10 or 12 teams, after OU & UT exit. That will probably be on hold until the settlements are figured out.
Only because I am unsure what she is holdingI'm not sure. And I'm concerned about it.
You've got to love yourself before you can love others. I get it. The world is telling us we don't add value. Eff them dude. When I was in school, I think we had one winning season. I didn't give two craps. I was drinking Natty Ice in the parking lot wondering where my damn koozie was at. We still packed Jack Trice. Field of Dreams buddy. If you build it they will come. We've built this mother effing thing and we are about to flop our damn junk on the damn table we are that balls to the walls awesome. Now, calm down and enjoy us being a bad ass team. Have you seen pics of Breece? He's looking like Tamin Lipsey chiseled, shirt off, glistening in the sun while playing PIG in the damn driveway.
I would put a caveat on it as "Campbell would never leave for another college job." If he has dreams of coaching in the NFL, it probably doesn't matter.
Not true. If BVDV was still in charge, ISU would already be in the MAC after inadvertently withdrawing from the B12.
IMO if anyone thinks the Pac12 is going to add Big12 teams in the next few months- that is wishful thinking.
The Pac12 is in no position to add schools until they figure a way to make more $ from their media rights. Each school earned $32M in 2019/20 from their media rights. The Pac12 has gone from 30M (2016) to 15M (2020) people having access to the Pac12 Network.
Maybe there is a path to turning their media rights income around, but nothing about the Alliance related to media reports appeared that impactful. Adding premier games is nice, but if that comes at the expense of dropping a conference game, not sure that creates much incremental money. And it could actually remove 1 home date for 6 teams each season. Last time I looked home dates mean ticket, concession, revenue for local businesses, etc.
Below are non-con games for the big 3. If I'm BYU- I am nervous. The Cougars schedule includes 5 Pac12 teams in 2021 and it includes a couple in most future seasons.
USC
2018 Notre Dame & Texas
2019 Notre Dame & BYU
2021 Notre Dame & BYU
Oregon
2018
2019 Auburn
2021 Ohio State
Washington
2018 BYU & Auburn
2019 BYU
2021 Michigan
The Pac12 is in no position to add schools until they figure a way to make more $ from their media rights. Each school earned $32M in 2019/20 from their media rights. The Pac12 has gone from 30M (2016) to 15M (2020) people having access to the Pac12 Network.
Maybe there is a path to turning their media rights income around, but nothing about the Alliance related to media reports appeared that impactful. Adding premier games is nice, but if that comes at the expense of dropping a conference game, not sure that creates much incremental money. And it could actually remove 1 home date for 6 teams each season. Last time I looked home dates mean ticket, concession, revenue for local businesses, etc.
Below are non-con games for the big 3. If I'm BYU- I am nervous. The Cougars schedule includes 5 Pac12 teams in 2021 and it includes a couple in most future seasons.
USC
2018 Notre Dame & Texas
2019 Notre Dame & BYU
2021 Notre Dame & BYU
Oregon
2018
2019 Auburn
2021 Ohio State
Washington
2018 BYU & Auburn
2019 BYU
2021 Michigan
I know the way broadcasts numbers are looked at has changed but I still wonder which gets better ratings in KC, KU or ISU football?
This also shows why the scheduling aspect of the alliance isn’t going to be be a boost for the PAC. The top schools have no issue drawing good non-con opponents.
Under the current playoff format, it means major $ for a conference if one of their teams makes the playoffs. If Campbell can turn Iowa State into a perennial top 25 team (which he has the past several years) that is a valuable asset to secure. I would agree though a program's head coach certainly isn't going to make or break any deal regarding a conference invite.
