IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.

2076

Well-Known Member
May 7, 2020
2,380
-4,857
48
48
That is probably not realistic. No way the AAC schools leave a conference to get dumped in 3 years.

Any school coming to a New Big12 is going to want a GOR in place into the 2030's.

A BYU, Army, UConn might be interested in a scheduling alliance similar to what Big10, ACC & PAC12 just announced.
Big 12 expansion talks are being had. I think we should know more after the Pac 12 announces whether or not they are expanding in the next couple of days. Pac 12 reporters are saying they expect the Pac 12 to stand pat for now, which means most of the 12 will want to stay together. So we just have to hold out hope we get a Big 10 invite, but honestly, it's not looking good right now. That's why I think short term, expansion might be the only option for us.
 

TXCyclones

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Sep 13, 2011
11,413
12,625
113
TX
If the big ten added KU/ISU, it would be one more game a week.
I don't understand that math. There are two teams. There would be two additional games each week EXCEPT for the one week where KU and ISU would play each other.

Edit - my mistake. While there are currently 14 teams in the B1G who play each other during conference matchups equaling 7 games each week. Adding ISU/KU would simply mean there are 8 conference games while playing each other. It would add two additional games each week for just those out-of-conference game weeks.
 
Last edited:
  • Agree
Reactions: Cloneon

BCClone

Well Seen Member.
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Sep 4, 2011
67,730
63,793
113
Not exactly sure.
Big 12 expansion talks are being had. I think we should know more after the Pac 12 announces whether or not they are expanding in the next couple of days. Pac 12 reporters are saying they expect the Pac 12 to stand pat for now, which means most of the 12 will want to stay together. So we just have to hold out hope we get a Big 10 invite, but honestly, it's not looking good right now. That's why I think short term, expansion might be the only option for us.
So you think the big ten will expand, since that is who "us" would be when you talk.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Cyclones1969

cyIclSoneU

Well-Known Member
Apr 7, 2016
3,300
4,562
113
I don't understand that math. There are two teams. There would be two additional games each week EXCEPT for the one week where KU and ISU would play each other.

Just count the home games. KU and ISU play 6/7 home games a year. They would add about 13 more games to the B1G media rights deal per year, because the conference controls the home games. All the other schools would still play the same number of home games. So it's +13.
 

jcyclonee

Well-Known Member
Apr 12, 2006
23,262
26,176
113
Minneapolis
If ISU and KU go to the B1G, WVU goes to the ACC, KSU/OSU/Tech/TCU go to the Pac-16, and all three leagues play each other a lot with their 16 teams each (ND counting as half in the ACC) while the SEC kinda does its own thing, and then all four leagues are represented in the playoff along with at least one G5, then I totally agree.

Oh, and I almost forgot, Baylor ends up in the American. That also makes CFB better than it currently is.
If ND ends up in the ACC or the PAC decides that UNLV is worth taking a gamble on (pun only partially intended), Baylor could end up in the AAC for football and Big East for basketball. If you set aside Baylor's past transgressions (This became easier for me after this year's basketball team. There was little to dislike about Baylor's basketball team this year), you see a school with a very good basketball program, a pretty good football program, and some very good women's athletic programs. However, the football program has a limited upside due to location (ISU and Iowa both have a bit of an issue with this too) and having a small alumni base (ISU and Iowa do not have this issue).

Assuming Baylor gets sent to a G6 conference, what I'll miss most are Chip and Joanna comments.
 
Last edited:
  • Dislike
Reactions: TXCyclones

2076

Well-Known Member
May 7, 2020
2,380
-4,857
48
48
So you think the big ten will expand, since that is who "us" would be when you talk.
What? I mean Iowa State going to the Big 10. That is my hope. I don't see the Pac 12 happening based on the stuff I'm seeing. I have no idea what the Big 10 will do. Plenty of people don't think they will expand either, but I am hopeful.
 

BillBrasky4Cy

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Dec 10, 2013
17,481
31,794
113
Big 12 expansion talks are being had. I think we should know more after the Pac 12 announces whether or not they are expanding in the next couple of days. Pac 12 reporters are saying they expect the Pac 12 to stand pat for now, which means most of the 12 will want to stay together. So we just have to hold out hope we get a Big 10 invite, but honestly, it's not looking good right now. That's why I think short term, expansion might be the only option for us.

I'm not sure how you can even begin to arrive at this conclusion at this point.
 

BCClone

Well Seen Member.
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Sep 4, 2011
67,730
63,793
113
Not exactly sure.
What? I mean Iowa State going to the Big 10. That is my hope. I don't see the Pac 12 happening based on the stuff I'm seeing. I have no idea what the Big 10 will do. Plenty of people don't think they will expand either, but I am hopeful.
So, as a Hawkeye fan, you hope we land in the big 10? Well that’s nice.
 

AuH2O

Well-Known Member
Sep 7, 2013
13,012
20,989
113
Yes, but not in how it matters.

Adding schools does create incremental media revenue. But for Pac12 schools to add a school, the new school would need to add at least $32M (in 2019/20 dollars) of incremental TV $.

The $32M was each Pac12 school's share of overall Pac12 media rights monies.

You are only looking at half, or probably much less than half of the picture.

While I agree in a vacuum adding ISU and say Okie St. would be hard-pressed to increase the media revenue of the PAC by more than $32M each. However, when you look at the massive infrastructure and carriage fees at stake for ESPN, and to a much lesser extent Fox, it becomes pretty clear that it may be far more about loss avoidance than boosting revenue.

In other words, if ISU and Okie St. get relegated to a lesser league, these are high viewership teams that even a marginal decrease in ESPN subscriptions would be a huge loss to ESPN. It very well could be that the losses ESPN avoid are far greater than the gap in per team revenue added.

In other words, the value of keeping some (maybe even all) of these teams in major conferences is quite possibly far greater than the simple added per team revenue. Assuming ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, FS2, ESPN+ etc. subscriptions stay static if teams that draw good TV numbers like ISU, Okie St. are demoted to G5 status is a really bad assumption, and I highly doubt these networks think that. So that has to be considered in the math.

For example, if these moves relegate enough teams to lose interest, and even just 500,000 viewers nationwide no longer subscribe to packages that include the ESPN family of networks, that's a loss of roughly $55 million per year in carriage fees alone. This says nothing of the reduced viewership and subsequent reduction in ad value. That is hard to quantify for a clown on the internet, but I will say that it is significant for teams like ISU and Okie St., considering their game outdrew Notre Dame-Pitt on ABC head to head by 300k viewers.

So what seems most likely to happen is it's going to look like ESPN is "overpaying" conferences for the addition of some of the Big 12 leftovers, but only because people are looking at this simply, and equating value ONLY as additional revenue to the conference. When ESPNs value of maintaining interest in some of these teams includes not only the increased revenue from that inventory, but the avoided loss in carriage fees and ad value be reducing interest in these teams. Plus throw in the incentive to facilitate the OU and UT to SEC move, and there become three components of value to these teams.
 

2076

Well-Known Member
May 7, 2020
2,380
-4,857
48
48
I'm not sure how you can even begin to arrive at this conclusion at this point.
I've spent too much time obsessing over where we might land. Read a lot of Pac 12 stuff, and again, it's mostly a guessing game, but most people who claim to be connected to the conference don't think they will expand. I don't have any sort of feel either way with the Big 10. I know hok trolls think there is no chance, but Wannstedt doubling down is good news for us for sure.
 

Die4Cy

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2010
14,972
15,857
113
It is becoming clear that while people with ESPN ties clearly want to make a case that the R8 have little value and few options except to stay with them in some hybrid AAC league, people with FOX ties are telling a very different story.

Say what you want about Wanny, he would be someone with significant insight to the thinking in the media offices of the BTN, PAC, and Fox.

His specifics matter less than what he's saying about the mindset of FOX and the conference alliance.