IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.
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Great, now the B10 is going to dump Rutgers on us
I absolutely agree with you. Please remember though, the vote to go from 4 to 12 was to occur as we're speaking to prepare for 2025 expansion.
Two of the four secret subcommittee (expansion committee) members were: the SEC commissioner and Bob Bowlsby. You don't think the SEC commissioner used confidential information to help woo OU and UT? You don't think ESPN knew what was going to be recommended, via the SEC commissioner?
It's going to be a hell of a book someday.
How did you explain the mop in your office though?
Listen, this whole "expansion committee" is all optics. There is no way JP and WW are hitching their wagons to this without making multiple attempts with the B1G and Pac. We are WAY too early in the process to just settle for plan C.
Texas Tech AD Kirby Hocutt says Big 12 expansion plans are under way
Texas Tech athletics director Kirby Hocutt is a member of four-person subcommittee tasked with leading Big 12 efforts to add new members.amp.lubbockonline.com
Hocutt must think that since he used to be on the CFP committee, he needs to be a mouthpiece for what the Big 12 is doing. What he really needs to do is STFU.
It’s all about planning. This is what smart leaders do. If for some reason the H8 don’t find good landing spots (I really think we do), then there has to be a plan in the works for expansion. You’d certainly rather have that framework set up from the beginning in case things fall through, that way you’re not scrambling.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
The American has a 27-month exit period. For an AAC team to join on the day OU and UT (say that they will) depart, they have to give notice by April 1, 2023. So there is no rush until OU and UT make an actual move to dipping out earlier.
We can still use basically all of 2022 to try to figure out if the B1G or Pac will have any room. They will have the benefit of the outcome of this football season (if we make the CFP we will surely be at least somewhat more valuable).
If nothing changes - OU and UT don't try to dip and the B1G PACC continues to freeze us out - then we just send invites in early 2023 effective 2025. So we have a full 18 months before we have to invite anybody, under the status quo. We can just use the 18 months to see if that status quo changes and if we can make it change in our favor.
We can still use basically all of 2022 to try to figure out if the B1G or Pac will have any room. They will have the benefit of the outcome of this football season (if we make the CFP we will surely be at least somewhat more valuable).
If nothing changes - OU and UT don't try to dip and the B1G PACC continues to freeze us out - then we just send invites in early 2023 effective 2025. So we have a full 18 months before we have to invite anybody, under the status quo. We can just use the 18 months to see if that status quo changes and if we can make it change in our favor.
It's weird, he's been the only one that has said a word and I can't figure out what his agenda is. I feel like he is really hoping the State legislature gets involved.
I know, OSU is listed because they're the third of the top three, not because they're included in the committee.
What's funny/dumb is that they really believe that they are losing because they can't get the best recruits, and they are doubly afraid with the new NIL the SEC will be cheating even harder and then they REALLY won't get any good recruits.
When the reality is, recruiting/talent is the LEAST of their problems. Its about the coach and culture, as it always is. Give CMC or Saban or Dabo 3 years down there with all those 5-stars and they are in the Top5.
And guess what, no pother conferences are lining up to throw out offers to Cinci, UCF, Houston, or BYU.... The Big 12 has nothing but time when it comes to having to settle for expansion.
Hocutt is not really well loved by their fanbase. He was, but no longer due to bad FB hires and the loss of Beard. I think he has to talk some to keep himself from being tarred and feathered.
I have said this a lot but IMO a lot of the issues at Texas starts with how high school football is treated in that state. The way these high school kids are idolized and put on a pedestal isn't healthy for them.
Yes, but as all that time slips away, so does the ability of our coaches to recruit, the ability of ISU to give coaches $$ and a roadmap/reason to stay, and the ability to convince donors to continuing ponying up for an uncertain future.
I'm not arguing that we should expand - i'm saying that the H8 don't have all this time to figure out where we fit.
Imagine if Pollard hired Charlie Weis instead of Campbell and then fired him and was on Turner Gill as his replacement, and meanwhile Hoiberg had taken us to a Final Four before dipping out for Texas instead of the NBA. That is the level of performance that Tech AD has given that fanbase. Getting Tech relegated to a league that is a P5/G5 tweener and failing to get them into the Pac-12 would be a huge nail in his coffin IMO, even though it wouldn't be his fault necessarily.
People say this a lot but I don't understand it. Are we in a worse recruiting position right now, where we might end up in the B1G or we might end up in a reconstituted Big 12, then if we just said screw it, we're going all in on the backup option now for the purpose of stability?
If negative recruiting is being used against us saying "Iowa State is gonna be in a Big 12 that isn't really a power conference, with teams from the American," then just going ahead with that exact outcome doesn't really seem like it would stop the bleeding on the recruiting front.
Stability for stability's sake is not the answer when the only sure "stable" option at this exact moment is G5 elevation to the Big 12. Instability is better for now.
