IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.

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The committee is ISU and KU presidents plus Baylor and Tech ADs, not OSU.

Interesting to me that the 2 presidents are also the only 2 AAU schools left in the league. If academics matter, they would be the 2 who would actually care about it.

Here are the USNWR national university ranking of some of the top options. Iowa State is 118 for reference.

BYU - 80
USF - 103
Cincinnati - 143
UCF - 160
Houston - 176
Memphis - 258
Boise State - unranked (worse than 298)
Where does UCONN rank on that list?
 

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The American has a 27-month exit period. For an AAC team to join on the day OU and UT (say that they will) depart, they have to give notice by April 1, 2023. So there is no rush until OU and UT make an actual move to dipping out earlier.

We can still use basically all of 2022 to try to figure out if the B1G or Pac will have any room. They will have the benefit of the outcome of this football season (if we make the CFP we will surely be at least somewhat more valuable).

If nothing changes - OU and UT don't try to dip and the B1G PACC continues to freeze us out - then we just send invites in early 2023 effective 2025. So we have a full 18 months before we have to invite anybody, under the status quo. We can just use the 18 months to see if that status quo changes and if we can make it change in our favor.
18 months? If it were me, I'd make the first couple of these meetings happy hours while telling my wife that I have serious work to do on the "expansion subcommittee".
 
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Where does UCONN rank on that list?

UConn is 63. Colorado State is 153 as well.

My biggest takeaway from that list is that, if academics play any role, it will likely be as a negative for Boise and Memphis, and maybe a bump for USF as a UCF travel partner type of thing.

BYU is the best school, and the best financial option, but we know it comes with lots of baggage. There would be real pushback to associating with BYU as a conference member.

I could see Houston, Cincinnati, UCF, and USF being the four at the end of the day. All the additions are in growth areas with lots of recruits. They are good football teams that have won recently, or at least semi-recently in USF's case. USF plays in an NFL stadium too. Just purely guessing, they probably have the top four TV brands in the American; maybe Memphis is better than one but they're all top 5 or 6 in that league for sure.

Rivalry weekend would be something like:

UCF-USF
WVU-Cincy
KU-KSU
UH-Tech
BU-TCU
ISU-OSU is kind of the leftover but it's Big 8 so I'll take it.
Or stick KU-OSU here and give us Farmageddon instead.
 
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He impresses me as someone who is not happy with his potential landing spot. Maybe the PAC 12 isn't interested in TT?
Agreed. It really seems that the silence by the other AD's mean that they know how this plays out. But Hocutt continues to be the lone voice chirping (not screaming) so it seems he's not quite satisfied with Tech's landing spot.
 
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Listen, this whole "expansion committee" is all optics. There is no way JP and WW are hitching their wagons to this without making multiple attempts with the B1G and Pac. We are WAY too early in the process to just settle for plan C.

I'm not sure I would call it optics only. I'm sure they have been and will continue to discuss options for expansion. Surely this is a contingency/fallback to the preferred options. Even if there's a handshake or under the table agreement, I don't think expansion options are going to stop being explored.
 

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Yes, but as all that time slips away, so does the ability of our coaches to recruit, the ability of ISU to give coaches $$ and a roadmap/reason to stay, and the ability to convince donors to continuing ponying up for an uncertain future.

I'm not arguing that we should expand - i'm saying that the H8 don't have all this time to figure out where we fit.

I don't want to be the one to say it but a remodeled Big 12 isn't going to be a super awesome recruiting tool....
 

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I'm not sure I would call it optics only. I'm sure they have been and will continue to discuss options for expansion. Surely this is a contingency/fallback to the preferred options. Even if there's a handshake or under the table agreement, I don't think expansion options are going to stop being explored.

Discuss? Sure. Reach out to schools to take their temperature? No way, not yet anyways.
 
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I have said this a lot but IMO a lot of the issues at Texas starts with how high school football is treated in that state. The way these high school kids are idolized and put on a pedestal isn't healthy for them.
So true.

Another tidbit that happened toward the end of Mack Brown's era and they are still struggling with this. The Texas campus is like 40 or 50 acres of concrete, but they pulled it off very well. Austin is a very expensive town to rent in and like most college kids, they want to get out of the dorms after their freshman or sophomore year. Apparently, in Mack Brown's final two years, half of the team had at least a 30 to 40 minute drive to get to practice. The scary part is the apartments weren't that far away, but with Austin traffic and being six seven miles away, if not more, it is not very conducive to creating an hour-by-hour and day-by-day culture.
 
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Why would they come here?

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Yeah, I understand the basics of the foundation. Was just curious why we seemed light, but didn't think of the collection period could be 10 years. Basically we have 1.5B in pledges and donations, but maybe only 500 MM in donations with a billion coming in pledges. I do see the foundation bumped up their payments to the University by 20 MM in 2019.

Pretty sure a decent chunk of that is going to be in the form of land, real estate, property, non-liquid assets, etc.
 

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He used to be one of the better CFB writers out there. He was pretty reasonable and mild-mannered. He could talk about which conferences or teams were up or down without being either a fanboy or a troll.

At some point he changed, and now behaves like most of the rest of CFB writers - firing off hot takes on Twitter, sucking up to the SEC/B1G, and punching down at schools like ISU.

He's been probably the most disappointing media member to me in all this, because he didn't used to be this way. He certainly wasn't this awful in 2011.
I used to follow a number of national guys. I follow NONE now. I quit most, prior to the B12 stuff, but the final few got cut becasue of that.
 
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I used to follow a number of national guys. I follow NONE now. I quit most, prior to the B12 stuff, but the final few got cut becasue of that.

Same here. I dropped a bunch after watching the way they conducted themselves during the realignments of a decade ago, and the few that were left are gone after the last month.

I don't need someone to blow smoke up my ass about all this, but the dancing on graves is gross. The next time the media industry contracts and one of these guys is out of a job, I'll be sure to get in his mentions and tell him he adds no value to any other publication.
 

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I'm not sure I would call it optics only. I'm sure they have been and will continue to discuss options for expansion. Surely this is a contingency/fallback to the preferred options. Even if there's a handshake or under the table agreement, I don't think expansion options are going to stop being explored.
You have to explore what expansion looks like and what the effects are on the revenue stream from TV. This will help and calculating the tortious interference damages. There are several irons in the fire and you got to keep working all of them at the same time.
 
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Pretty sure a decent chunk of that is going to be in the form of land, real estate, property, non-liquid assets, etc.
Probably less than 25% is not liquid. That is my estimate. However, even if it's farmland, it will make you somewhere between 2 and 5% of the annual value as a recurring income stream.
 
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