Bowl payouts actually are shared between conference members. Yet another loss of income people don’t factor in
Expansion candidates that made the cut in 2016
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Bowl payouts actually are shared between conference members. Yet another loss of income people don’t factor in
Your not the only person discouraged about this situation, quite honestly it sucks! Fans are discouraged but most at some point are moving on to try and discuss what the best course of action for ISU and subsequently the B12 is moving forward.
Of course they are, but it hurts everyone in the conference equally.
Do you care about income more than wins?
I totally understand if that’s “yes” because you’re a fan of a non-revenue sport.
Not ideal, but if Iowa State is making less but in a conference with playoff access and full of other similar programs also making less, it’s not a death blow. Look at how Cincy, UCF and Boise have grown their brands while not really even having such access. Just win
You’re.
But I’m actually not discouraged.
Just trying to take your lipstick, so you can leave the poor pig alone.
And you’re a hawk fan
You seem to be assuming that nothing will change in the football program with a huge loss of budget dollars.
if those brands you mentioned really mattered, they wouldn’t be an option for the former big 12 to begin with.
Lol the guy who rates everyone’s post as dumb just made a bowl game argument.
I understand what I am asserting very well. I'm not comparing the difference between the G5 and the P5 Conferences. I'm comparing the G5 conferences to themselves. FWIW (and maybe that is nothing), I've seen 110 FBS Teams play in person including every single member of the MAC. Moreover, I have seen games @ Miami (OH), @ Toledo and @ Ohio Univ.
I'm just saying that the MAC is the very bottom of FBS and probably should be an FCS Conference. Iowa State and the other Big 8 remainders will NEVER fall that low in FBS. The same can be said for the G5 programs being considered by the Big Xii for expansion purposes. The difference between the MAC and the AAC / MWC or a re-constituted Big Xii is astronomical.
Bowl games have payouts. Payouts are distributed amongst conference members.
The big 12 has a pretty poor bowl lineup now.
So then you understand how far behind Iowa State would be compared to the p4 conference schools.
No, I’m assuming nothing will change in the program with respect to what also changes in the programs that we play.
We’ve been trying to grow the brand (win) while having the smallest budget and worst recruiting in the conference. It can be done with a great staff, but it’s actually much easier to win and improve the brand when not having the disadvantage.
Would you rather try to succeed playing as the smallest budget program in a conference with a perception problem (old Big 12), but actually just as challenging to win…or playing in a conference of more equitable budgets, still a perception problem but actually a bit easier to win?
But do those brands matter more than they did before?
Btw, would you rather be ISU the last 4 years, or Missouri? I mean Missouri played in a better conference, more money, better bowl access! Extend that…I’d rather be Cincy the last 10 years than Missouri.
I get you want to the high floor based on the conference affiliation. You can always claim at least we’re in a conference that matters. But if THAT actually provided value, we wouldn’t be having this discussion now, and Iowa St would be a lock invite somewhere. Winning is still priority #1, and if we’re in an improved AAC with access to the playoffs, the challenge of winning isn’t harder than it is now
Great news for you- the effective delta won’t be any greater than now.
Yes, we’d have a budget disadvantage. We’d have a recruiting disadvantage. But we already do. Any further fall off would be offset with not playing OU and UT.
Every post in these threads boils down to:
We want to land in another power conference and hope we do, and
If we don’t, we want the best thing for ISU in the new Big 12.
along with someone who cannot hold two thoughts in their mind at once reply to everyone saying “But the new Big 12 is gonna suck! All of these options suck!”
If you think that, then no one is making you stay if it happens - feel free to open up your Saturdays. But we will stay here talking about the Cyclones and hoping for the best outcome for them.
eagerly awaiting the “Dumb” reaction to this post
We want to land in another power conference and hope we do, and
If we don’t, we want the best thing for ISU in the new Big 12.
along with someone who cannot hold two thoughts in their mind at once reply to everyone saying “But the new Big 12 is gonna suck! All of these options suck!”
If you think that, then no one is making you stay if it happens - feel free to open up your Saturdays. But we will stay here talking about the Cyclones and hoping for the best outcome for them.
eagerly awaiting the “Dumb” reaction to this post
All I think is that there are some moves that are better than others, and if Iowa State / Big 12 do something short-sighted like add Cincinnati or Memphis (which somehow some people on this board have convinced themselves of this being a sensible option), you can chalk up the decline of our program and conference.
It’s not just about the conference we’re in. Why is that difficult to understand?
No one gives a **** about boise and Cincinnati because the belief is that they are successful because they play who they play.
This is also the first year that we are seeing the uptick in recruiting.
I do think those are sensible options but I am open to others. I also am skeptical that any option at all would prevent a decline of the Big 12 Conference, which is kind of my point all along. Some people are discussing what we think are the best options on the table, while others are just kind of yelling about how all the options are worse than they would prefer. Frankly, no s**t.
There are no options available which prevent ‘decline’ of the big 12.
if we expand it’s clearly because no other options were available. Everybody is operating under that assumption when discussing expansion.
So now are you saying the decline of the big 12 will be long term, not just be a temporary 10-15 year blip you were arguing about earlier?
KidSilverhair
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But if there is no B1G/PAC/ACC invite coming … what else is Iowa State supposed to do?
This is out of the fans’ hands. We can’t control realignment, we have next to zero impact on how things shake out, no matter how many season tickets we buy or how much we boycott ESPN or how many times we email JP. We can hope for the best, and continue to support ISU to make them look as attractive as possible - but we must be prepared for the fact that there may not be a P4 lifeline coming.
And the program will continue, for Pete’s sake, if that invite doesn’t come. We aren’t closing down the athletic department or dropping to D-3. Will it be different? Sure. Will we need to readjust our expectations for budgets and hiring coaches? Absolutely. But as mentioned above, programs like Cincinnati/UCF/Houston and others continue to be relevant and competitive, in that G5 way of thinking. It’s not the “death knell” of Cyclone football … geez, if things had gone differently in 2010 we might very well be in the MWC right now, no way that’s happening at this point!
Okay. Personally, I think ISU fits great in the B1G and could bring a lot in expanding that conference to 16. I think the PAC 12 is teetering on collapse if they don’t do something, with expansion (taking in nationally relevant teams in the Central time zone) being a very viable step to improve their situation. But it doesn’t matter what I think. I’m not the one portioning out blue blood football programs in an effort to concentrate obscene amounts of money at the top while starving everyone who’s out of the “Self Important 41.”
Of course not staying in a Power conference would be a devastating blow to the athletic department. But it wouldn’t kill it. It’s not “B1G or D-3.” That’s not the dichotomy we’re faced with here. A reconstituted Big XII, adding BYU or Cincinnati or someone like that, would be by far the best of the non-Power conferences, and if that’s the best option we have (outside a P4 invite), well, that’s not nothing.
The recruiting has continually gotten better under Campbell. I think you mean recruiting rankings but ISU will always have to find diamonds in the rough and develop them and Campbell certainly seems to be capable of that.
Even as far back as 3 years ago ISU was finally beating other P5 programs for players even if they were lower ranked 3 star recruits, instead of beating out mostly G5s for 2 stars and low 3 stars.
Recruiting rankings matter and give you a heck of a start but are not everything. ISU has been playing 2 deep on defense for 3 years now, and there is NO WAY they could have done this without recruiting at a higher level.
They will never get over 4 or 5 4 stars in a class and probably normally not that many but if they keep finding players like Purdy, Kolar, Rose, Hakeem Butler, Will McDonald, Harold Brown this last class, they will do fine. Then sprinkle in a few high profile JUCOS like Eisworth, Hutchinson, Lima and the right transfer and ISU will do well.
