Iowa Game Thoughts and UNLV look ahead

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I'll start with the good and end with the bad (that would be the O and then Special Teams)

Defense
  • Zach Peterson looked all big 12 yesterday. Tackles for loss (2), qb hits, and just everywhere owning people. I loved to see it.
  • Will McDonald is averaging a sack per game in the last two seasons all most, unbelievable. He has to be on first round draft boards coming up.
  • Our starting LBers are studs but the backups are proving they are very good too. Daeshawn Davis, Aric Horne, and Gerry Vaughn are all very quality.
  • CB play as good minus the Iowa throw in Q2, that was a dime by Petras (his only good throw of the day really)
  • Kymmani King (19) is my surprise impact guy on defense thus far. He hits people like Isheem and is probably faster. Great player.
Offense
  • Hutchinson - don't want to pick on him too much but that was a poor effort outing by him. The two dropped crossing short passes were killer and the tipped one led to a gift INT for Iowa.
  • As Williams and Blum alluded to, against a team like Iowa - playing slow is doing exactly what they would want. I'm upset we didn't adjust more to an uptempo strategy. Hindsight is 20/20 but you do have to know when it's not working. An uptempo worked with Dekkers obviously.
  • Milton - great to see him finally get a TD on a good play. We constantly move him around and need to work on getting him the ball more. He is just a lot better than Scates and is our best hope for a threat outside of Hutchinson.
  • 3rd receiver - what do we do here? This so far has been a real disappointment. Scates hasn't done much at all, Wilson showed a flash with his 40 yard catch and run but we obviously need more from the whole room. Daniel Jackson had a catch for 20 yards, does he need to play more? Ezeriah Anderson got some snaps. The entire WR room needs to be challenged, they've been a dud so far.
  • TE - I would sit Charlie this week to get him healthy, we do not need him to beat UNLV.
  • Rus has been a bright spot, he blows people up in blocking and is actually pretty talented at the quick slip screen I love that play.
  • O line - in run blocking they finally got something in the 3rd quarter going but by that time the game had slipped away already. Simmons, Remsberg, Downing, and Newell all need to get more room for our rb's. I expect Breece to go wild next weekend.
  • It's very easy to see why Dekkers was the Iowa gatorade player of the year. 6"4, can move, and has a bazooka. Future is bright.
  • Eli Sanders, let's see some more of him, ditto with Jaylin Noel.
Special Teams

  • Kicking has been fine, the kick return and punt coverage units have also been fine
  • Punt return - I saw multiple punt returns in the nfl today, many punt returns on highlights yesterday. I don't know if we operate under different rules here at Iowa State but this is kinda embarrassing to me.
  • The punt return is an easy way to get a cheap 5-10 yards and we seem to forfeit that all the time. For Tarique Milton - his likely only shot in the nfl is to play as a punt returner or slot guy, and we don't even give him a chance. It's a blatant disrespect to his skillset. I think at this point the strategy of fair catch, or let it fall an extra 20 yards sucks and i'm now done ranting about it

Time to put a beat down on UNLV. They're 0-2 and have to be mentally beat some. Need a total attitude shift on offense and I hope we can do that Saturday. Still a lot to play for this season. I look at the tier of the big 12 outside of OU and hardly anyone scares me. Brock has been great for 3 years in a row in October and I hope that continues.

Sounds pretty spot on to me. Offense has to do more to compliment the elite level the defense is playing at.
 

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We don't fire anyone. The talk and thought that we can't find the money to hire a glairing need is both sad and laughable at the same time. I guarantee you if Pollard sent out an email right now saying "we'd like to hire a STs coordinator but need 300k in donations to make it happen" he'd have the money vouched for before noon. EVERYONE is tired of our STs situation and it's not an "either or" situation. It's both.
Your lack of knowledge of even the rules regarding number of coaches allowed in Div. 1 speaks volumes on the credibility of your take here.
 

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God I'm amazed how quickly people turn into fans resembling those at Nebraska, Texas, or Tennessee.

For those of you who are ready for wholesale change Here conference stats from last year. ISU was 3rd in both yards and points per game. And 1st in 3rd & 4th down conversions. And people want to fire Manning two games into the season????

https://static.big12sports.com/custompages/pdfs/football/2020OverallStats.pdf

We basically have the same staff and same players as 2020. So when you come down off the overreaction ledge I'd suggest trying to enjoy the rest of the season.
 

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Your lack of knowledge of even the rules regarding number of coaches allowed in Div. 1 speaks volumes on the credibility of your take here.

Forgot about the limits but it's not that hard to circumvent. I'd either can Manning or reassign Gordon as an "analyst" to stay within the limit. It's not nearly as difficult as you are making it seem.
 

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Forgot about the limits but it's not that hard to circumvent. I'd either can Manning or reassign Gordon as an "analyst" to stay within the limit. It's not nearly as difficult as you are making it seem.
Who is calling plays with your canning of Manning?
 

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Forgot about the limits but it's not that hard to circumvent. I'd either can Manning or reassign Gordon as an "analyst" to stay within the limit. It's not nearly as difficult as you are making it seem.
Never said it was difficult. I was just pointing out that if you can't even figure out that you just can't add coaches without making room for them, maybe you should just let the coaches do the coaching.

But the larger point is that the coaches who brought you the best record in the conference, a conference championship berth and the school's first ever NY6 bowl win just last year don't owe you an apology for anything.
 

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God I'm amazed how quickly people turn into fans resembling those at Nebraska, Texas, or Tennessee.

For those of you who are ready for wholesale change Here conference stats from last year. ISU was 3rd in both yards and points per game. And 1st in 3rd & 4th down conversions. And people want to fire Manning two games into the season????

https://static.big12sports.com/custompages/pdfs/football/2020OverallStats.pdf

We basically have the same staff and same players as 2020. So when you come down off the overreaction ledge I'd suggest trying to enjoy the rest of the season.

Not overreacting here. A lot of the issues, namely the the play calling of slow developing plays in games the pass protection was not there, have been ongoing issues. We decimate mid to low level competition, basically teams we have a line of scrimmage advantage over, as our play calling isn't limited. We are able to run at will and Purdy has time to throw the ball. But once we can't run and or Purdy gets pressured, it becomes obvious Manning struggles to adapt. One of Purdy's best games last year, the Texas game, was one of the few times where Purdy was pressured (extensively) and we won (his scrambling that game was sensational). The first Oklahoma game was another. But the 2nd OU game, OSU game, and Louisiana were all losses.

If we are talking about beating mid-level competiton then fine, Manning is great. But if the team aspires to be something more Manning has got to be able to adapt, something he hasn't shown he's been able to do since he's been here.
 
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ZRF

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Never said it was difficult. I was just pointing out that if you can't even figure out that you just can't add coaches without making room for them, maybe you should just let the coaches do the coaching.

But the larger point is that the coaches who brought you the best record in the conference, a conference championship berth and the school's first ever NY6 bowl win just last year don't owe you an apology for anything.

Those accomplishments, and the praise they deserve, as well as the STs futility, and the admonishment that deserves, are not mutually exclusive. He's choosing, repeatedly I might add, to refuse to address an issue that is a constant problem, one that has cost us games. For someone who claims to be creative on the field (and he often is), I'm astonished he can't be as creative off the field in being able to address the issue without several compromising staff integrity.
 

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Forgot about the limits but it's not that hard to circumvent. I'd either can Manning or reassign Gordon as an "analyst" to stay within the limit. It's not nearly as difficult as you are making it seem.

So you don't want Gordon on the field during practice? That should really help with quarterback play.
 

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Purdy and offense needs confidence, like in bball, just need to see the ball go through the hoop. Talent is all there, would like to see BP throw open more guys. Timing is a bit off, which leads to under throws deep or fast balls on short routes.
 

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Hopefully he knows that "analysts" can't have any contact with the team members. So our QBs will not be without a coach like out STs are now.

I'm aware. You shift the direct responsibility to Campbell or someone else. The "analyst" can do all of the same preparation and planning without the direct work. Look at teams like Alabama that have a slew of "analysts" (they have like 10 of those).

Look, I'm not saying you can make these changes today, which is the impression I'm getting from some of the responses. Figuring out a solution last offseason should have been a prirority, especially with the **** show we are seeing (yet again this year). Will doing so require letting go of some weak links or finding coaches that can excel in "dual role" coordinator positions? Possibly. But it's obvious the solution to our special teams issues does not lie internally. If it did we wouldn't have a 6 year **** show on our hands now, would we?
 

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So you don't want Gordon on the field during practice? That should really help with quarterback play.

It's going great so far? Maybe Gordon isn't the answer (though that was never my point).

Look guys, you need to be able to read between the lines here. Something that's been obvious since Campbell's been here is that the solution to our special teams issues does not lie internally. If it did we wouldn't have the same issues year after year. We either need to bring someone in as a specific STs coordinator OR bring someone in that has success with that AND performs a dual role responsibility. Look at the other staffs around college football. It's like that all of the time.

Point is Campbell needs bring somebody in that can fix this mess and figure out BEST way to realign the staff to make that possible. Whether Campbell takes on coordinator duties or not isn't my place to say. I just used that and or Gordon as generic examples as to what you do in order to make that happen. Shifting people around in order to maximize performance happens all of the time. Loyalty shouldn't supersede addressing a longstanding weakness on the team. It needs to be addressed.
 

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God I'm amazed how quickly people turn into fans resembling those at Nebraska, Texas, or Tennessee.

For those of you who are ready for wholesale change Here conference stats from last year. ISU was 3rd in both yards and points per game. And 1st in 3rd & 4th down conversions. And people want to fire Manning two games into the season????

https://static.big12sports.com/custompages/pdfs/football/2020OverallStats.pdf

We basically have the same staff and same players as 2020. So when you come down off the overreaction ledge I'd suggest trying to enjoy the rest of the season.
This. The defense is currently ranked 7th in football. Granted, UNI and Iowa are far from the Big 12 offensive teams that ISU will defend, but it certainly is going to keep us in the game. I'd go so far as to say this years defense is better than last years.

As for the offense, Iowa is likely the top defense the team will face this year, so I would expect improvement there as we line up against the same defenses that the Big 12 presented last year. Absolutely room for improvement though...in all areas.

While ST's are getting flak, I'm pleased with the kick off results...we may have more touchbacks in two games than all of last season. The punt team (mostly return) is my biggest b!tch...Iowa was aggressive...any punt fielded by an Iowa returner was returned. Zero fair catches...WTF. Us...zip. This needs fixing...immediately. As for FG's...the biggest mistake in the Iowa game was not calling TO when the team wasn't ready for the FG call at the end of the game. As a result, the FG kicker was rushed, took the wrong steps, and hooked the kick. You had the TO...take it...stupid. These kickers are going to kick some long FG's this season.
 

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So we should violate NCAA rules by having too many coaches is your answer?

You can "reassign" seomeone to an analyst role if you don't want to fire them. I don't believe there is a limit on the number of analysts (see Bama as an example).
 

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Take away a couple of deflected balls and we're probably 2-0. Bring on the UNLV chum.
Why I think our punting needs improvement. We had too many line drive punts that they could return for 5-10 yards (more sometimes) and let their's bounce and add another 10 yards. We flip those and now we have those turnovers happening out around our 40 or so and you can rip several points off the board. Even one less FG now has us driving to tie at the end and not needing two scores.