He’s the guy during the orderly evacuation that is still screaming “FIRE!” the whole time.
Why did I think it was Houston, until the BU govern pulled rank?
Big 12 Expansion (new thread)
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But not a people. He’s talking to some office plant and is pissed it’s not taking the initiative to save itself.
I'll take you at your word. Curious about which 4 from each that would be on B1G "want" list, in your opinion/assessment.
I ask not to dispute it (I can't guarantee how others will react). Also wonder if you're counting Notre Dame as "ACC," but that's a separate detail.
This might have more to do with how big the SEC wants to get and what is their end game. Everything is trending south including population and athletics, especially outdoor athletics like football, baseball, softball and track. The SEC rules those sports especially compared to the Big and that gap is just going to continue to get bigger. If the SEC goes after the top PAC schools why would they choose the Big over the SEC?
Thursday: Texas-Oklahoma Grant of Rights, Exit Fees update
With the recent additions of BYU, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston to the Big 12, speculation and concerns have all but calmed for now, but it is an every day process.
I fail to see how additional expansion makes the remaining Big 12 schools any additional money, or, really, how it makes any sense at all unless the Big 12 plans on losing more teams.
Wow you are a super nice poster. ND i dont consider in the ACC but the big ten would take them in a second. ACC schools are UNC, Virginia, Clemson, and most likely FSU. PAC is USC, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado. Personally i would take ucla or stanford over colorado but leadership loves colorado.
I've always thought the arizona schools could have great value but they never come up in conversations.
All that being said the big ten really doesn't want to expand and just keep the status quo as long as possible.
Thursday: Texas-Oklahoma Grant of Rights, Exit Fees update
With the recent additions of BYU, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston to the Big 12, speculation and concerns have all but calmed for now, but it is an every day process.sicem365.com
Some really odd statements in here. I follow realignment pretty closely and I have no idea what some of these things are getting at. Referencing ESPN making decisions for the B12, time being of the essence for making moves, and people not understanding what is going on but there is a method behind it all???
Based upon past practice, I think the BIG would consider Georgia Tech. Hopefully, they are changing their business model to match the new reality. That being said, the old business model will still probably be pretty profitable for another 10 years or so.
It has got to be the latter. There is no flippin way the likes of ISU and KU will be affiliated with Boise St, Memphis and Southern Miss (LOL).
You aren't wrong, but GT is so bad at so many sports that the Atlanta market might not carry it. Otherwise its a perfect expansion target
Yes, the SEC and their broker ESPN are driving this thing. I think it favors occurring in 5 years.
Clemson will never have a higher valuation (see FSU as a cautionary tale), UNC's ability to dictate the breakup decreases with each year, Duke post Coach K could make it harder for them to leverage their way into either.
Eventually the BIG will have to jump in, or it will be a P1 situation. Delaney would have had them exploiting this and getting with the times, adding 6 ACC schools if that is what it took to secure the BIGs footprint in the South and hedge the SEC's play. But Warren and current leadership are as good.
The BIG is going to have to rely on the "we promise to invite you in 10 years" slow play to 2-4 ACC members, and hope it doesn't get leaked. Once it is leaked, ESPN and fear would take it from there to finish off the ACC.
With things like the bathroom bill response by the ACC getting backlash in NC, politics will also have a say. Add in going to the BIG and having VT and NC St in the SEC is less than appealing, and the SEC being a much better brand in the South, and I fear we're looking at a SEC with OuT and the top 4-6 most valuable ACC brands. They may add KU to help the basketball bluebloods feel at home.
5-10 years ago GT was on many of the BIG's march-to-the-sea plans of attack. They've been so bad, but imo they are still worth the add, if doing so in 2021. Atlanta is a huge CFB market, heart of the south, and key for the BIG to make a presence there if grabbing FSU and Clemson too. There are so many transients and ACC grads in Atlanta, I think GT would get them in-market (hence the 2021 comment).
Absolutely.
Leftover 8 implies not wanted. Nothing is more stable than having members with no other options.
On the other hand, there is $30-$40 million/year for why the Pac12 and ACC are looking at losing their best programs. Pac 12 is barely making it to the end of their GOR as it is. If they lose USC and Co, they are done. No one leaving the Big 12 to go play Oregon St, WSU, Utah, etc. It is much more likely, the Mountain time zone schools join the Big 12. The ACC is probably in more peril given the proximity to the SEC, and the BIG having well known interest in several schools.
They're kind of like the southern Rutgers.
At some point, a cable company is going to say no to the Big Ten Network. Heck, up here in the Twin Cities (a Big Ten city with pretty good college support) something like 80% of the cable customers didn't want the Big Ten Network on the primary tier of channels but it was pushed through. I suppose that the Big Ten would do their research to see if the cable thing would still work in Atlanta. If not, Georgia Tech would probably be left out.
I thought that I remembered reading that NC takes pride in being a "Southern" school. If this is correct it makes way more sense for them to move to the SEC than the BIG.
The ACC is stable for the moment due to their GOR. Until there is some precedent where a GOR can be broken for minimal damages, that conference is locked up tight for at least another 12-14 years. (2036)
The PAC-12 on the other hand, isn't stable. Too many of their members just don't have the support or interest of the teams out east. Their TV contract is up here in 2 years. If they are forced to go to un-equal revenue sharing to support their 2 tent pole brands, you'll see a situation just like the old Big 12 start to happen. They have a LOT of issues to work out before 2024, and that is just around the corner.
The state of North Carolina is culturally different in many pockets from "the South" and nowhere is this more true than the Triangle region that includes Chapel Hill. UVA and UNC are better cultural fits in the B1G than the SEC, before you even consider the academic prestige of either.
TJ's going to have to have his ducks in a row, I think it will be a better MBB conference than the old B12 was. Bill might have caught a break on the women's side. Got rid of a improving Tx Ou had been down a while.
I'm not sure where the dollar side of things end up, but from a good product on the field there is a ton of potential.
