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I agree 100%. Even guys like Brett Meyer (granted he was just an OK quarterback), Austen Arnaud, and Kurtis Taylor are all from the state of Iowa. These Iowa kids we bring in have shown that they can be a solid part of our team.
ISU would be very succesfull if they could land most of the instate basketball talent. Plenty of instate talent to build a successfull program with.
I question how anyone could objectively state otherwise.
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Rhoads is recruiting for the basketball program too?ISU would be very succesfull if they could land most of the instate basketball talent. Plenty of instate talent to build a successfull program with.
I question how anyone could objectively state otherwise.
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Lordy, dude's gonna be busy!
Just neeeds to be in the hunt w/top IA student/athletes and he will get his share in the future, as mentioned earlier another targeted area needs to be Omaha area, as Omaha area has brought some good athletes to IA State. With background at Pitt, should help in east, question is who will he hire to support efforts in FL and TX. Not sure where his recruiting emphasis was while at Pitt or Auburn
I don't think at all the Chizik ignored in-state recruits. He just got beat out for most of them. I don't know that it bothered him all that much since he'd just recruit another TX or FL kid.
Rhoads is going to recruit in-state harder, that's for sure. He'll have better relationships with the HS coaches, better camps, better walk-on program. But I do hope that he is more like Chizik than McCarney in that if he gets beat out for an in-state guy, he moves on. We don't need to be offering guys that should be going to UNI.
Rhoads is going to recruit in-state harder, that's for sure. He'll have better relationships with the HS coaches, better camps, better walk-on program. But I do hope that he is more like Chizik than McCarney in that if he gets beat out for an in-state guy, he moves on. We don't need to be offering guys that should be going to UNI.
The walkon program was lacking under Chizik to say the least, Rhoads knows how important walkons are as he coached some pretty good ones when he was here before so I have confidence the walkon program will be a strong point again.
Oh, I don't know - there seemed to be lots of Iowa players on the field when Penn State lost its only game of the year.
At least I know, especially if Mike Woodley comes back if rumored, that we'll have serious, well-run coaches clinics and summer camps again, which will help recruiting in Iowa and the midwest. The last two years were an absolute joke...
Are you sure McCarney recruited these so-called "not-worthy" guys, or did he just encourage them to join the team..?
I guess I don't know the answer, but for some reason I doubt he would live and die on mediocre players... he wasn't stupid
I guess I don't know the answer, but for some reason I doubt he would live and die on mediocre players... he wasn't stupid
Great point on the walk-on program, and the overall importance of Iowa recruits in general. A couple of things of note on this, that some might be interested in....................
1st off I agree with the sentiment about coach Mac & Fry both over emphasizing Iowa kids. However there is more than meets the eye to that. Mac wanted to dominate the totality of Iowa with the idea that they would become or at least over shadow Iowa. HF had the same theory early on and later just got lazy, or ill in my opinion. Now to further that point it isn't the offering of Iowa kids that is the problem it is the miss evaluation and projecting of them. For example...........
Brandon Meyers was a late 2 star offer by us that our fans whined & complained about (side note: I actually have more disdain and issue with the Internet Iowa fan than the Internet ISU fan) us even bothering to offer. 5 years later he is likely to get serious looks in the NFL. ISU I don't believe even offered and our fans wished we hadn't (probably not most, but the vocal ones) Flash forward 2 years ago and the same happens with Reisner and all he does is play from his 1st day on campus and too me looks like a sure fire All-Big 10er and potential NFLer.
As I said in another thread Iowa has 9 Iowans currently in the NFL out of their 25 total. A couple of which are walk-ons and Iowa currently has Bruegeman (walk-on), Meyer, King and “maybe†Kroul who will get serious NFL looks and likely drafted. Which is incredible considering we only have like 7 Sr starters. Also Greenwood, Sash, and Angerer are very fast and athletic and have some future All-star potential so to pooh-pooh the state of Iowa kids is VERY short sighted to say the least.
The reality is MAC try as he might still wasn't able to completely bridge the gap at the elite level in-state kids and the others he just didn't (as a staff) do a good job of evaluating. It is the evaluation of players that is the number ONE criteria for being a high level recruiting program for the Iowa's and ISU's and even the Mizzou's or Wiscy's or Kansas'. It is here where I continually get disgusted with Iowa fans who get mad at what they perceive is our "low level" recruiting and OUR offering of too many Iowa kids. They honestly don't have a clue what they are talking about. Iowa has like 14, 2-star or walk-on recruits in the NFL out of their 25 total (which places them in the top 20 or so for producing talent nationally) many of which played immediately. I/e: they didn't need any developing. My point of this isn't to pontificate about Iowa but rather to use my knowledge of Iowa to show the importance of recruiting & evaluation. Specifically the ability to correctly evaluate & offer Iowa kids in particular and 2 star kids in general whether they be from Florida, Texas et al.
It is here were KF and staff have excelled (despite the whining & crying of Iowa fans) and where Mac failed in the long run. They were better at evaluating and developing talent, therefore if the new staff is to excel they will have to do the same and the state of Iowa will be a huge part of that.
Sorry for the length but this is a hot topic for me and I have ran down a similar such argument on the Iowa board at least 20 times. Iowa has had an alarming amount of success with 2 star players and it has to be because they were actually WAY better than they were ranked, hence the importance of being diligent, hard working evaluators of talent.
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Just think how bad we would have sucked if we had signed Raef Lafrentz, Nick Collison, and Kirk Hinrich. I guess you were happy when Adam Haluska transferred away so we could replace him with a better out-of-state player? And it goes without saying we can go out of state and do better than Harrison Barnes, huh? :wacko:
Another great point here Monty,
Frankly the b-ball argument is even MORE short sighted than the f-ball one IMO. The state of Iowa has a very highly respected AAU program (2 elite level teams if memory serves) and neither program has done a "great" job of keeping kids in-state.
No one can tell if the aforementioned players along with the Klay Edwards, Jess Settles, Glenn Worleys, Ricky Davis, Klayton Korvers et all hadn't stayed in the state we couldn't have fielded 2 high level teams, but for sure one NC type team.
Also I forgot in my football recruit post there have still been a number of kids that still went out of state that starred with Kyle Orton, Quinn Spienewski, Kyle Vandenbosch all coming immediately to mind as they are in the NFL and I believe Antoine Polite came from Indianola and had a nice career for KSU. The talent in Iowa has gotten better and better over the years and it is folly to ignorer or pooh-pooh it. Frankly I hope ISU does as it is better for Iowa. Also that spaghetti armed QB be from Keokuk is tearing up the practice squad and there is a thought he could play as early as next year.
Chad
Great players no doubt, but there is too much gap in years between when these guys played. Fred Hoiberg graduated HS in 1991, Lafrenz in '94, Ricky Davis '97, Hinrich and Collison in '99.
My point is that we don't have a pipeline of good D1 players year after year in football or basketball and you have to go out of state to fill in the gaps. We should be able rattle off the names of 30 or 40 good players, not just five or six over a 10 to 15 year period.
Although I do understand your sentiment I still don't agree with it. I'm not going to itemize both ISU and Iowa's roster during that time frame but they were both fraught with "some" talented Iowans (not to mention others we are missing) and players in general. So in b-ball especially their additions would have made an incalculable difference. No one is really saying that you shouldn't also recruit out of state. North Carolina produces fantastic b-ball players but with Duke, UNC, NC-St and Wake not to mention some nice mid-major programs all presiding they too have to go out of state.
I guess a better way to say it that is more to the truth and harder to poor mouth is.....................for Iowa or ISU to be successful they ALSO have to find and develop plenty of in-state talent as well as the out of state talent. If ISU wants to leave it all to us I am more than fine with that, but a successful team in this state will NOT get it done with out signing some in state talent, no mater how much it's fans want it to be true.
If Pete Carroll showed up in IC or Ames tomorrow he would NOT start attracting 4 star talent in droves. Even if he won 2 NC's in 5 years. It just isn't going to happen and anyone who thinks otherwise is tricking themselves. The teams that DO sign lots of highly ranked kids are in a very close proximity to said talent if not on top of it. Nebraska when they were cooking did it with an incredible walk-on program, plenty of Midwest kids in states with down programs and select skill kids from everywhere.
Any Iowa or ISU fan who thinks his favorite team can excel without it's in-state kids is either upset because they can't sign them or confused as to how valuable they really are. Iowa and ISU have to recruit everywhere including Iowa and the surrounding states. Hence why Iowa has such a huge recruiting budget and you’ll need a bigger one.
Chad
One interesting thing about Chizik's recruiting was the fact they were going after kids in Minn and Wis, I hope that continues. There are 11 million people in those two states and plenty of talent to send our way. Iowa has gotten some kids from there and I think that Bret dbag Bielema is starting to slip though Brewster is heating up. Neither state has a second BCS or other D1 school taking talent, the kids are generally very smart and acclimated to the cold.
One exception-Robinson was recruited by McCarney.
Keep it up, go after Chicago area, Omaha, KC, and STL as well and I do love some of the talent we have on the team from Tex and Fla, keep it up!!!!!!!!!!
One exception-Robinson was recruited by McCarney.
Keep it up, go after Chicago area, Omaha, KC, and STL as well and I do love some of the talent we have on the team from Tex and Fla, keep it up!!!!!!!!!!
Iowa has had a lot of success recruiting these areas for LBs, DL and other "non-skill position players". We can head to FLa and Tex for true speed.
