Nebraska fans are so confused

[WhoISthis]

Nothing false about that post. Hoiberg's system needs elite offense players and he doesn't have them. The 3-pt line moved 2 ft further out a couple of years ago and that puts even more stress on his offensive scheme, which isn't novel anymore and coaches now know how to defend it better. His Nebraska team have been/are poor at rebounding, which gets exploited badly in conference play. If he can't adapt his offense to the skills of the players he has, and fix his rebounding, it will not end very well for him at NU.

You'd have something if you accurately knew his scheme.

His scheme of using analytics, passing, sharing the ball, and taking good looks, whether twos or threes, still results in top defense. He was elite at exploiting mismatches and realizing the elasticity of a players offensive/defensive contributions. Good now as it was then, if he has the players. Often near the top of the conference in 2P FG%. At the end of his tenure, near the top in 2P FGA even.

He's changed. It should not surprise anyone that a coach that could not tell recruits what they needed to hear for over a year is not doing well at Nebraska. Coaching is more than just knowing basketball, and without the hometown hero momentum of 2011-2015, he's just a guy that knows basketball but does not like many parts of his job. During his entire tenure at Iowa St he did not need to do much to create a good lockeroom. Iowa State MBB, Ejim, Georges etc did that for him. Not the case at NU.

 

[jsb]

On a more relevant note, Creighton is up by 17 against #24 BYU with 13 minutes left.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Good now as it was then, if he has the players.

That's funny you would say this when you disagreed with this......

.....and he has no Georges, Monte, Matt, Naz, Abdul etc.

That is why I really try hard not to.......and discourage anyone from debating with you unless they just simply enjoy arguing for argument sake.

 

[Cyched]

I keep making money betting against Nebraska basketball this year. Probably the closest I've found to a sure thing.

 

[mynameisjonas]

To make this more enjoyable I’ve decided to add 30 points to Nebraska’s score, which makes this a very exciting game now.

Wow thrilling finish!

 

[Cyched]

Hoiball without Otz on the bench or recruiting...oofda

 

[Sparkplug]

Watching Nebraska playing Auburn at the moment. Nebraska has a terrible team and honestly I couldn’t care less about Fred. He had his choice to stay and build a dynasty or let his ego convince him that the NBA was the place to be. He chose wrong. CMC and TJO get it. Fred can go cash his buyout checks and spend the day on the golf course.

They just lost by 31

 

[madguy30]

You'd have something if you accurately knew his scheme.

His scheme of using analytics, passing, sharing the ball, and taking good looks, whether twos or threes, still results in top defense. He was elite at exploiting mismatches and realizing the elasticity of a players offensive/defensive contributions. Good now as it was then, if he has the players. Often near the top of the conference in 2P FG%. At the end of his tenure, near the top in 2P FGA even.

He's changed. It should not surprise anyone that a coach that could not tell recruits what they needed to hear for over a year is not doing well at Nebraska. Coaching is more than just knowing basketball, and without the hometown hero momentum of 2011-2015, he's just a guy that knows basketball but does not like many parts of his job. During his entire tenure at Iowa St he did not need to do much to create a good lockeroom. Iowa State MBB, Ejim, Georges etc did that for him. Not the case at NU.

First bolded--then why did 'hero ball' get thrown out so much if ISU was so good at sharing the basketball? It was a lot of one on one and his teams could be pretty erratic.

2nd--What is your evidence for this? There were plenty of things thrown out there that the locker rooms were hardly great and management leaned toward enablement.

 

[jbhtexas]

You'd have something if you accurately knew his scheme.

His scheme of using analytics, passing, sharing the ball, and taking good looks, whether twos or threes, still results in top defense. He was elite at exploiting mismatches and realizing the elasticity of a players offensive/defensive contributions. Good now as it was then, if he has the players. Often near the top of the conference in 2P FG%. At the end of his tenure, near the top in 2P FGA even.

Let me simplify his scheme for you as it plays out during the games...up-tempo style that strongly favors layups/dunks or 3pt shots. It doesn't work well when the team isn't good at 3pt shots, which has pretty much been the case for his tenure at NU. It also doesn't work well when you give up a bunch of offensive rebounds to you opponent, which has also been the case for his tenure at NU.

 

[CloneGuy8]

I'm surprised at Fred's struggles. But football is obvious- Frost is a crappy coach.

 

[Gunnerclone]

This has been hashed over ad nauseam. Fred struck lighting with a new style of play, new style of recruiting and the players that fit. What is happening at NU is now Hoiball is no longer novel, neither is the transfer market......and he has no Georges, Monte, Matt, Naz, Abdul etc.....and Fred either can't or won't adjust. TJ has and gone back to the future with motion offense and in your face defense.

CBB has changed stylistically as well in the past 5 years. All offense only gets you so far. Ask Iowa.

 

[WhoISthis]

Hoiberg is FAR worse at Nebraska than Miles ever was.

Agree. Miles at Nebraska was a great coaching job all things considered.


Fit matters. Fred's value was never going to be greater than it was at Iowa State. Maybe Nebraska can give Frost a try at basketball. Could not hurt.

 

[20eyes]

Nebraska fans are confused because they're dipsh!ts...nothing to do with Fred...

 

[WhoISthis]

CBB has changed stylistically as well in the past 5 years. All offense only gets you so far. Ask Iowa.

What are we asking Iowa? How just last year, all offense (meaning elite offense and top-75 defense) results in a top-10 finish and 2 seed in the tournament, much like the last Hoiberg team 6 years prior?

 

[helechopper]

Reading this thread and watching the announcers talk about Musselman at Arkansas and how he brought in 5 transfers to turn the program around. That’s Fred’s real legacy, treating college b-ball like NBA free agency.

 

[Cyched]

Will Fred be at Nebraska a year from now?

 

[madguy30]

What are we asking Iowa? How just last year, all offense (meaning elite offense and top-75 defense) results in a top-10 finish and 2 seed in the tournament, much like the last Hoiberg team 6 years prior?

You could watch Iowa last year for 5 minutes and know if they couldn't guard and Oregon showed that.

 

[WhoISthis]

You could watch Iowa last year for 5 minutes and know if they couldn't guard and Oregon showed that.

Right. Which is not a CBB change stylistically. It has always been true that an average, at best defense, is a liability come tournament time. Btw, Oregon was a 10/55 split in AdjuO/AdjD, with good 3P shooting. Similar to Hoiball teams, although at a slower pace.

 

[awd4cy]

This has been hashed over ad nauseam. Fred struck lighting with a new style of play, new style of recruiting and the players that fit. What is happening at NU is now Hoiball is no longer novel, neither is the transfer market......and he has no Georges, Monte, Matt, Naz, Abdul etc.....and Fred either can't or won't adjust. TJ has and gone back to the future with motion offense and in your face defense.

I mean, there may be some truth to this, but it’s definitely not that simple. Fred has some talent that he has brought to Nebraska. They should be better than 5-6 right now.

 

[CyJack13]

He’s just not a very driven coach at this point. He’s got his money, he’s not out working other coaches. He also has the personality of a rock. Not a great combo to try to turn a school with no history of success.