Am I crazy for thinking this?

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Did I miss where that was said, or are you resorting to using a strawman?

That is not needed to win the title or make a FF with those teams. See inexperienced Kevin Ollie inheriting a similar talented roster. It’s whether this staff adds enough value over the last to make that team better.

It wouldn’t have taken much improvement on the bench. Given those players overcame hands-off coaching, at best, to be 49th in defense, this staff likely gets them to be better enough to have more success. And they likely also utilize matchups better.

Chill out and enjoy life

Okay my apologies for thinking a coach that wins national championships would be considered premier.. my bad. And that Ollie situation is a total outlier
 

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there is no doubt. Both win it. 2020 as well, with all the recruits pouring in after the 16-17 Naty. We are an alternate universe freaking dynasty!

Pretty much would have been the new Duke over the last 5 years.

Likely erase any memories anyone ever had about college basketball ever.
 

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He name drops on the premium board. It's not the main post in a thread, so takes a little digging.

Yeah I don’t remember the names, I just remember two if not three of them are now HC’s. Similar to Blount, he’s a future HC. Green could be, but I don’t think he wants it unless it’s at UNI. Similar to TJ leaving Iowa State to be an assistant at Washington, it’s good to have experience at other schools with different coaches.
 

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I have no doubt that TJ could have done better than Prohm in any of his seasons, but any NC or FF talk is just crazy.
 
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I have no doubt that TJ could have done better than Prohm in any of his seasons, but any NC or FF talk is just crazy.
Not really. Certainly the Final Four is not crazy talk.
The 2016-17 team finished #17 in KenPom, with a an AdjD of #42. With Steve Prohm. A little better defense and a final four run is possible. It is crazy to think that is crazy.

And the 2015-16 team even more talented, and just two games away. In some hypothetical world in which this staff is coaching that team, it has what it takes to make the final four.
 
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Otz plays a role on this team defending well, but he’s not the reason it defends will. He went and got Green, who’s a great defensive coach, he also went and got a few All B1G defensive 1st team transfers. You can’t just take an elite offense team, and turn them into elite defenders at the same time too.
 

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Otz plays a role on this team defending well, but he’s not the reason it defends will. He went and got Green, who’s a great defensive coach, he also went and got a few All B1G defensive 1st team transfers. You can’t just take an elite offense team, and turn them into elite defenders at the same time too.
They don't need to be elite to have had much better odds at reaching the FF.

The 2016-17 team finished 42nd in AdjD. With a coaching staff that could not even teach ball screen defense.
They were a good defensive team that would have been very, very good on defense with this staff. That level of improvement likely means they have the right offense-defense to make a FF run (could have regardless if Prohm were better at matchups).

The Sweet 16 2015-16 would have also competed, although the AdjT likely would have been slower. They finished 91st in AdjD. They had the makeup to be top-40 with this staff, given the Hoiberg staff had a similar roster at 59th AdjD. That very much means they're a FF contender.
 
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They don't need to be elite to have had much better odds at reaching the FF.

The 2016-17 team finished 42nd in AdjD. With a coaching staff that could not even teach ball screen defense.
They were a good defensive team that would have been very, very good on defense with this staff. That level of improvement likely means they have the right offense-defense to make a FF run (could have regardless if Prohm were better at matchups).

The Sweet 16 2015-16 would have also competed, although the AdjT likely would have been slower. They finished 91st in AdjD. They had the makeup to be top-40 with this staff, given the Hoiberg staff had a similar roster at 59th AdjD. That very much means they're a FF contender.

I remember Solo being a big part of the win at KU with his defense in the middle late and getting some tough boards, etc.

Then the next game he plays 14 minutes at Texas in a sloppy game before starting and big minutes the next game vs OU like it wasn't obvious he needed more time on the floor.
 
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Not to speak ill of Solo, but he was the worst pick and roll defender I've ever seen.

Respectfully disagree. GC was as bad or worse for the last 2 years. Now he's respectable. Why would Solo not have been just as improved with coaching? (Although injuries took away some of his mobility.)
 

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EITHER the 2016-1017 or 2018-2019 teams win a national championship under Otzelberger. Can you imagine the offensive firepower of those teams playing lock-down defense?
It something to dream about...ya have to have a mindset also to play tough D...the Xs and Os would have definitely made them better. But those guys sure loved that offensive side of the ball...it would have been an adjustment for them to make having Fred's presence for several years.
 

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Respectfully disagree. GC was as bad or worse for the last 2 years. Now he's respectable. Why would Solo not have been just as improved with coaching? (Although injuries took away some of his mobility.)

Im sorry but even Soph and JR GC was light years better than Solo in this particular area. Everything else, Solo was better at than that version of GC. But pick and roll defense? I’ve never seen another big defend it so poorly. Like he could either take the guard or the big and somehow he repeatedly chose neither…just out in no mans land. And teams flat out punished us for it.
 
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