Isheem Young enters transfer portal

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Young surely sees himself as an NFL draftee. So, the SEC puts 125 guys into the NFL every year, the Big 12 puts in 20. It could be as simple as that! (BTW, I just threw these numbers out there but they have to be close).
 

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Well, he's right. You will have a few schools with boosters paying the best recruits to go to their schools. And so recruiting will be just about money, not an open and fair competition.
I wonder if A&M getting the #1 recruiting class has anything to do with Saban's opinion?

Of course it does. He's been rolling in top 300 recruits for years and NIL might upset that. Let's be absolutely real about his motivations here.
 

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"You're going to have the haves and have nots, and the separation that is already there is going to grow larger," Smart said. "The schools that have the capacity and the ability and are more competitive in the NIL market are going to be schools that step ahead on top of other schools. So I don't want [recruiting] decisions to be based on that, but ultimately a lot of young men want to make their decision based on that."

AKA "I get paid 10.6 million per year, the recruiting model so far has completely benefitted me and I don't want it to change".

Okay? So Saban doesn't want it to change. Big surprise there. Why would he. He's dominating. But his quote is still accurate for smaller schools.

The system wasn't built to benefit Saban. He's just been the best to play to current model.

He has won everything there is to win and put a ton of kids in the league.
 
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Young surely sees himself as an NFL draftee. So, the SEC puts 125 guys into the NFL every year, the Big 12 puts in 20. It could be as simple as that! (BTW, I just threw these numbers out there but they have to be close).

Plus he is a borderline NFL guy right now, I don't think he is a Breece Hall lock to be drafted. Increased snaps and visibility only helps his chances. Good luck Isheem, in all things.
 

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Well, he's right. You will have a few schools with boosters paying the best recruits to go to their schools. And so recruiting will be just about money, not an open and fair competition.
I wonder if A&M getting the #1 recruiting class has anything to do with Saban's opinion?
Was talking with a coworker (Texas fan) that loves college football. He believes that the A&M recruiting class has more to do with the stars aligning then NIL. His theory is with LSU getting a new coach and Texas being a dumpster fire were the main drivers.
 

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"You're going to have the haves and have nots, and the separation that is already there is going to grow larger," Smart said. "The schools that have the capacity and the ability and are more competitive in the NIL market are going to be schools that step ahead on top of other schools. So I don't want [recruiting] decisions to be based on that, but ultimately a lot of young men want to make their decision based on that."

AKA "I get paid 10.6 million per year, the recruiting model so far has completely benefitted me and I don't want it to change".
But don't you think that all benefits schools like Bama, Georgia, Ohio St and Clemson?
 

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Young surely sees himself as an NFL draftee. So, the SEC puts 125 guys into the NFL every year, the Big 12 puts in 20. It could be as simple as that! (BTW, I just threw these numbers out there but they have to be close).
Average Big 12 team 2017-21: 10.3 draftees over the 5 year period
Average SEC team: 21 draftees

Vanderbilt is the ONLY SEC team under 10.3 and they're at 7.
 

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"You're going to have the haves and have nots, and the separation that is already there is going to grow larger," Smart said. "The schools that have the capacity and the ability and are more competitive in the NIL market are going to be schools that step ahead on top of other schools. So I don't want [recruiting] decisions to be based on that, but ultimately a lot of young men want to make their decision based on that."

AKA "I get paid 10.6 million per year, the recruiting model so far has completely benefitted me and I don't want it to change".

I think people are misunderstanding what Smart and Saban had to say about it. Just because they said that the gap will continue to grow doesn't mean they think they will be on the wrong side of it. It's ok for them to acknowledge that parity will get absolutely destroyed. Sure they want to win every game but they also care about the sport too.
 

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Plus he is a borderline NFL guy right now, I don't think he is a Breece Hall lock to be drafted. Increased snaps and visibility only helps his chances. Good luck Isheem, in all things.
I agree, I wish him the best of luck. I could swear I read somewhere in a forum this year that he has a kid. Was this with someone at ISU or back home? Lets say he did get a girl pregnant at ISU, that changes my opinion of all this. If I'm wrong I apologize for putting information out that is incorrect and my intent isn't to create gossip.
 

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Average Big 12 team 2017-21: 10.3 draftees over the 5 year period
Average SEC team: 21 draftees

Vanderbilt is the ONLY SEC team under 10.3 and they're at 7.

What do the SEC's averages look like if you take Alabama and Georgia out of the equation? The question being, does a transfer who lands at a non-Bama/Georgia SEC program really have that much better of a shot?

Genuine question here, I'm curious. We know those two programs carry most of the SEC's weight from a competitive standpoint, I'm wondering if the same is true in terms of the NFL draft.
 

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I think people are misunderstanding what Smart and Saban had to say about it. Just because they said that the gap will continue to grow doesn't mean they think they will be on the wrong side of it. It's ok for them to acknowledge that parity will get absolutely destroyed. Sure they want to win every game but they also care about the sport too.

Im sure there is another thread for this, but you are correct. Saban just came out and said he doesn’t like the way NiL is being used because he doesn’t believe it is being used as intended. Now…no matter how it’s “used”, it won’t impact Alabama in a negative way, but it will impact other schools and it will horribly, unless mitigated.

As for Young, why can’t people just wish him the best and move on? We aren’t talking basketball here, where one or two guys have a major impact.
 
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Of course it does. He's been rolling in top 300 recruits for years and NIL might upset that. Let's be absolutely real about his motivations here.
Alabama is going to lose players because of NIL? Lol
 

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I think people are misunderstanding what Smart and Saban had to say about it. Just because they said that the gap will continue to grow doesn't mean they think they will be on the wrong side of it. It's ok for them to acknowledge that parity will get absolutely destroyed. Sure they want to win every game but they also care about the sport too.

Parity never existed. There have been 8 CFBP seasons. That means there have been 32 possible spots to be had. 25 of those spots have gone to 6 programs, none of which is been there more times than Alabama's 7. If teams like A&M start jumping up and signing #1 classes, they might make it too. They've never even won their division in the SEC. NIL would likely do more to increase parity than the old system. Just my opinion of course.
 

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Im sure there is another thread for this, but you are correct. Saban just came out and said he doesn’t like the way NiL is being used because he doesn’t believe it is being used as intended. Now…no matter how it’s “used”, it won’t impact Alabama in a negative way, but it will impact other schools and it will horribly, unless mitigated.

As for Young, why can’t people just wish him the best and move on? We aren’t talking basketball here, where one or two guys have a major impact.
Im not going to wish him either way but it sucks that ISU took the chance on him when he screwed up and then he bails after a few years.
 
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We may never know why Isheem Young left. Could be:
  • Emergence of Freyler & McDonald
  • ISU Coaching Staff Isn't a Great Fit for His Personality: Campbell vs. Kiffin
  • Maybe Doesn't Want to Play in a 3-3-5 defense
  • Weather - Ames High Temp Today 20, Oxford High Today 47
  • SEC v Big 12
  • NIL $
  • Looking for a Fresh Start in Life
Good Luck to Isheem. He made some game changing plays while a Cyclone.
 

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Parity never existed. There have been 8 CFBP seasons. That means there have been 32 possible spots to be had. 25 of those spots have gone to 6 programs, none of which is been there more times than Alabama's 7. If teams like A&M start jumping up and signing #1 classes, they might make it too. They've never even won their division in the SEC. NIL would likely do more to increase parity than the old system. Just my opinion of course.
If you look at it as a binary way and only from a playoff/NC perspective then yes, there has never been parity. Now in a given week or even season the ISUs of the world can be competitive and even beat Oklahoma, Clemson, Oregon. I'm not sure there's a rationale short of the Barstool, Jackson State publicity stunt that points to anything except a dramatic increase in concentration of talent at the top 15 or so schools. The schools that have the recruiting advantages in the pre-NIL system also tend to have more boosters willing to fork over NIL dollars. Sorry, I don't see one of the more storied programs in college football history in A&M possibly winning a division in the SEC as a sign of parity.

We'll have to see what happens when the new normal settles in, but I think anybody thinking this is going to increase parity beyond making 12 teams capable of winning the NC instead of 5, they are delusional. Basically that argument consists of "There's not much parity now, so any change probably improves parity."
 

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We may never know why Isheem Young left. Could be:
  • Emergence of Freyler & McDonald
  • ISU Coaching Staff Isn't a Great Fit for His Personality: Campbell vs. Kiffin
  • Maybe Doesn't Want to Play in a 3-3-5 defense
  • Weather - Ames High Temp Today 20, Oxford High Today 47
  • SEC v Big 12
  • NIL $
  • Looking for a Fresh Start in Life
Good Luck to Isheem. He made some game changing plays while a Cyclone.
Probably multiple factors. Maybe a little bit of all of them, and there's nothing wrong with any of them. Rather than focus on him leaving ISU, I like to be grateful for two great years he gave ISU and wish him luck in boosting his draft profile and a successful NFL career.
 

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What do the SEC's averages look like if you take Alabama and Georgia out of the equation? The question being, does a transfer who lands at a non-Bama/Georgia SEC program really have that much better of a shot?

Genuine question here, I'm curious. We know those two programs carry most of the SEC's weight from a competitive standpoint, I'm wondering if the same is true in terms of the NFL draft.
I lost the tab I was using, but the fact that the 13th of 14 SEC teams has more than the average Big 12 team is indicative that it's not just a Georgia and Alabama effect.
 
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If you look at it as a binary way and only from a playoff/NC perspective then yes, there has never been parity. Now in a given week or even season the ISUs of the world can be competitive and even beat Oklahoma, Clemson, Oregon. I'm not sure there's a rationale short of the Barstool, Jackson State publicity stunt that points to anything except a dramatic increase in concentration of talent at the top 15 or so schools. The schools that have the recruiting advantages in the pre-NIL system also tend to have more boosters willing to fork over NIL dollars. Sorry, I don't see one of the more storied programs in college football history in A&M possibly winning a division in the SEC as a sign of parity.

We'll have to see what happens when the new normal settles in, but I think anybody thinking this is going to increase parity beyond making 12 teams capable of winning the NC instead of 5, they are delusional. Basically that argument consists of "There's not much parity now, so any change probably improves parity."

Again, when has there ever not been a huge concentration of talent in the top 15 or so schools?