Official Announcement of TJ as the New Iowa State Mens BBall Coach
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No one disagrees with that. Clear as night and day though that McDermott was consistently subpar with 14-16 wins per season while Prohm discovered a new rock bottom for Iowa State BB after inheriting a team which was peaking.
This is going to be my last post in this thread, as I know I've already posted variations of everything I've written in roughly 17 different similar threads before on here, but that team that started in the Top 10 also had a semi-healthy Naz Long.
Also, IMO, rankings are nice, especially when your team is in them, but they are also highly subjective numbers by nature.
That team didn't play enough defense to win a national title but there's no doubt they were Final Four level as the ceiling. They returned 2 first team all Big 12 players, and the reigning defensive POY, to go along with 3 other NBA players as the other rotation guys.
That team was Final 4 ceiling and Sweet 16 floor with that much returning experience and talent. They were ranked #7 in the preseason, so obviously alot of people knew the potential.
And before you talk about Naz, yeah he missed the season, but teams regularly only go 6 or 7 deep. He was a good player but if you think about it he's probably the 7th best player on that team.
You could have stopped here. We didn't play the level of defense to get to Final Four. Elite 8 was the ceiling depending on the draw.
He was good and one of my favorite Cyclones, but let's be relastic , he's the 7th best player on that team.
Kansas has had a semi-healthy Remy Martin all year and it hasn't seem to affected them as they started in the Top 10 and will finish there.
Fred's last year was 25-9/12-6 and a first round loss to UAB with Naz.
Steve's first year was 23-12/10-8 and a sweet 16 without Naz.
A two game difference? You gave Prohm that much grief over that? You don't think Naz was good for another win or two? And let's not forget because Steve made McKay go to class that he basically checked out mid January.
You guys act as if Steve had his 0fer season in 15-16 when he was right on the heals of what Fred did.
What's it feel like to dislike someone so much?
Anyone that ever believed this was ever a top 10 team is a ******* idiot.
So he was admittedly worse? Thanks for proving my point. As fans usually how it works is when a team is really good, then returns all those players while adding a player like Burton they usually expect to be better next year. That's not even taking into account the improvement 20 year Olds are expected to take in the off-season and another year to get experience with each other.
That's doesn't always happen the way we would like(ISU football this year) but that's generally how it works when setting expectations and goals for the next year.
Add Burton, lose Hogue and BDJ, have Naz go down early in the season. That season ISU had Cooke and Ashton in the rotation because they had zero depth.
So pretty much every cyclone fan and most around college basketball that year?
George Niang, Monte Morris, Jameel McKay, Matt Thomas, Abdul Nader, Deonte Burton, Nick Weiler-Babb. And Naz got injured.
I believe that team had Top 10 potential. But not with Prohm as Head Coach. Nice guy. Terrible Coach.
What in your post wouldn’t apply to football?
Everything. Really dumb comparison. Bama and Clemson run CFB with UGA and OSU close behind and the rest of the pack isn’t even close. There’s much more parity in the top ten of CBB. You might as well have made your counter example cross country or tennis.
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Lol. I was doing fine without you helping me make my point.Everything. Really dumb comparison. Bama and Clemson run CFB with UGA and OSU close behind and the rest of the pack isn’t even close. There’s much more parity in the top ten of CBB. You might as well have made your counter example cross country or tennis.
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Awards received by the "core seven" on that team...
Morris = once first-team B12, twice second-team B12
Naz = once second-team B12
Nader = once HM B12
Niang = AP AA Second Team, AP AA Third Team, AP AA HM, twice first-team B12, once third-team B12
McKay = once third-team B12, once HM B12, DPOTY
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Thomas = twice HM B12
Burton = third-team B12
Naz was the third-best college player out of all those guys after Niang and Morris.
Nobody else ever one second-team all-conference.
McKay's DPOTY award was kind of a joke. He never struck me as a great defender. He just blocked a lot of shots which is what the voters naively look for when they're picking for that one.
Everything. Really dumb comparison. Bama and Clemson run CFB with UGA and OSU close behind and the rest of the pack isn’t even close. There’s much more parity in the top ten of CBB. You might as well have made your counter example cross country or tennis.
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I think it's the idea that being ranked highly early doesn't really mean much and the season proves that.
ISU was top 15-20ish during that span. The results show it including under Fred.
People calling it a Top Ten program makes it sound like it was solidly that good when the teams spent very little time even ranked that high over a span of 2-3 years.
Let's see......25 wins or 23? Hmmmm
12 wins or 10? Hmmm
First round loss to UAB or sweet 16? Hmmmm.
I'll take them both. Although being the last game of the season, the UAB loss leaves a much more bitter taste in my mouth than not winning 2 more games in the conference.
But that is because I liked both coaches and that's just the way it went. You on the other hand.
Had Steve been coach and they won 25 and 12....won the conference tourney title and then screwed the pooch against UAB............you would have forgot all about the 25 wins and acted like a 6 year old who didn't get exactly what they wanted under the Christmas Tree. Unbelievable.
