The “We Will” Collective

[Cardinal and Gold]

Have any NIL deals contained a non compete agreement yet or certain stipulations to try and prevent transferring, sitting out of games/bowls, or potentially even leaving for the pros early?

May be interesting if there are caveats with $ consequences that start to be included with these contracts to ensure some form of ROI for the sponsor/school.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

So many questions to be answered before donations start to flow in. I just hope this isn't a temporary thing. Once we see we can't compete with the Alabama's of the world for money, it could go south rather quickly.

We can't compete with them now. So why start?

Let me guess, "I not sure what I get for my money?"

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Have any NIL deals contained a non compete agreement yet or certain stipulations to try and prevent transferring, sitting out of games/bowls, or potentially even leaving for the pros early?

May be interesting if there are caveats with $ consequences that start to be included with these contracts to ensure some form of ROI for the sponsor/school.

Schools can't be involved.

Measuring roi on this stuff? Really? U do it because it's the game now.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Will NIL give high school principals more or less leverage with student athletes? They will obviously feel more pressure to keep kids eligible. Also, when will NIL hit high schools?

It has with high-end high schools that recruit.

 

[Cardinal and Gold]

Schools can't be involved.

Measuring roi on this stuff? Really? U do it because it's the game now.

ROI could be wins. Doesn't necessarily have to be $. It is what you want to get out of it, which could be different for each individual contributor. Like you said, it's to stay in the game.

Schools wouldn't be involved. It would be the contact between the athlete and the sponsor/fund.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

ROI could be wins. Doesn't necessarily have to be $. It is what you want to get out of it, which could be different for each individual contributor. Like you said, it's to stay in the game.

Schools wouldn't be involved. It would be the contact between the athlete and the sponsor/fund.

Telling an 18-20 I will give u $50,000 if you get so many wins???? Maybe in wrestling??

Contribute because it's the way to survive and thrive now.

 

[cyfreddy]

I think because it is a fundamental shift in what people have been supporting for years. Amateur athletics. How many times after a bad game where a player is being ripped on does someone bring up an argument about how these kids are student athletes and not professionals. Now they are professionals. Maybe some requirement of them is going to class or whatever, but these are now paid players who will make more than some nfl players.

Maybe college athletics has been a sham for a long time, but this has pulled back the curtain. I agree that players should be able to sell tshirts and have jobs, but this is directly pay to play, where the people who lose are the fans. The ncaa makes billions and the fans are the ones who have to pay the players. Whole thing just is off putting. The disconnect between the school and the player grows even further. Athletes already get free food, clothes, special housing (at some schools), schooling, free tutoring, special workout centers. Allowed to cheat in classes, even fake classes altogether at some schools like unc , and now they get 100s of thousands of dollars on top of all that to be "amateur" student athletes. All so schools can make more money. They are school employees who can't be paid by the school so fans are asked to shell out.

Might as well just pay to have a pro team throw our logo on their jersey as their corporate sponsor and skip all the student athlete ********.

Totally agree! Glad I grew up in the seventies when it meant something to play college sports, and was not about the money!

 

[Cardinal and Gold]

Telling an 18-20 I will give u $50,000 if you get so many wins???? Maybe in wrestling??

Contribute because it's the way to survive and thrive now.

I think we have strayed a bit. It would be telling the athlete that they will get $50,000 per year, but part of the deal is that you will not transfer and have to stay for a minimum of 2 years before going pro. It is a non compete agreement. Especially for the larger deals with 6-figures and more.

NCAA is turning into pro league, so yeah...we are paying to increase the chance for wins/relevance now, just like any pro team. The difference is that this is the wild west with no oversight/salary caps currently to promote fairness.

 

[Mr Janny]

Have any NIL deals contained a non compete agreement yet or certain stipulations to try and prevent transferring, sitting out of games/bowls, or potentially even leaving for the pros early?

May be interesting if there are caveats with $ consequences that start to be included with these contracts to ensure some form of ROI for the sponsor/school.

I'm sure some will try. But it seems like a great way to convince an athlete to sign with someone else, who doesn't have strings attached.

 

[Cardinal and Gold]

I'm sure some will try. But it seems like a great way to convince an athlete to sign with someone else, who doesn't have strings attached.

Probably to start, for sure. But after getting stung a couple of times, maybe the tune will change a bit for everyone.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

I think we have strayed a bit. It would be telling the athlete that they will get $50,000 per year, but part of the deal is that you will not transfer and have to stay for a minimum of 2 years before going pro. It is a non compete agreement. Especially for the larger deals with 6-figures and more.

NCAA is turning into pro league, so yeah...we are paying to increase the chance for wins/relevance now, just like any pro team. The difference is that this is the wild west with no oversight/salary caps currently to promote fairness.

I understand what a non-compete is - signed 3 of them myself. I don't think that is enforceable to have a non-compete to force him stay at a university.....a third party to your w-2 or 1099 wage earner that is getting payments from a collective.

Good question, but good luck enforcing it if he/she leaves. U going to sue a 19 year old?

 

[Cardinal and Gold]

I understand what a non-compete is - signed 3 of them myself. I don't think that is enforceable to have a non-compete to force him stay at a university.....a third party to your w-2 or 1099 wage earner that is getting payments from a collective.

Good question, but good luck enforcing it if he/she leaves. U going to sue a 19 year old?

Yeah I don't think it should or shouldn't be that way. I was just wondering if anyone had tried yet.

 

[Mr Janny]

Probably to start, for sure. But after getting stung a couple of times, maybe the tune will change a bit for everyone.

I doubt it. It's the cost of doing business. Some kids will leave. Others will stay. New ones will be added. Recruiting is incredibly cutthroat. None of these collectives are going to start cutting their own throats.

 

[CapnCy]

Have any NIL deals contained a non compete agreement yet or certain stipulations to try and prevent transferring, sitting out of games/bowls, or potentially even leaving for the pros early?

May be interesting if there are caveats with $ consequences that start to be included with these contracts to ensure some form of ROI for the sponsor/school.

All of those things are the next round of "now what?" Lol. This isnt a year old yet.
Random similar thoughts:
-Will a "We will" beneficiary be able to get outside the collective deals?

-How will coaches be able discuss during recruiting? (Or will the new norm just have kids reaching out directly to collectives to understand what they could get....but of course technically coaches/collectives can't talk, right?) If that's the rule, just seems like some school will get caught in the future. I assume there will be layers of communications to keep it clean

-will any behavioral concerns (i.e. arrests, etc) have penalities via the collective?

-will.awarded money be available for donors to review along with other admin costs?

-how will current athletes be treated vs recruits? Are amounts increased as athletes persist or perform?

 

[CoKane]

If it goes like KSU or Florida you have three options as a donor:

Specific Player
Specific Team
General Fund which doles it out based on a board of directors (former alumni).

This would be the best format imo. Would very much like to control where my money goes

 

[cyclone93]

Whatever happens, as things are structured at the moment, college sports as an industry is getting an influx of many million dollars per university (times maybe a hundred schools in football, maybe two hundred or more in mens basketball), all in what amounts to donations, that was not being donated before! That will change the game/industry for sure...not confident it will necessarily be in ways that I like, but it will change it.

 

[Beyerball]

We have a alumni base of 250,000...I guess..

Seems like there would be 10x thst if 3-4000 kids graduate a year?

Anyway.. if just 10% or 25,000 donate $50 a year that’s over $1mil just from average alumni..

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

We have a alumni base of 250,000...I guess..

Seems like there would be 10x thst if 3-4000 kids graduate a year?

Anyway.. if just 10% or 25,000 donate $50 a year that’s over $1mil just from average alumni..

And we’re still way short of almost every other university let alone a single 4 star recruit

 

[FriendlySpartan]

And we’re still way short of almost every other university let alone a single 4 star recruit

Those numbers for 3-4 star recruits are an absolute joke that no one with any sense believes. The amount that people should be focused on is a general fund for all football and basketball players where each individual gets around 50k.

 

[Rabbuk]

Those numbers for 3-4 star recruits are an absolute joke that no one with any sense believes. The amount that people should be focused on is a general fund for all football and basketball players where each individual gets around 50k.

yeah those numbers seem really inflated to me too, and im sure it is to induce panic giving.