Similac formula recall

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I'm 95, I mean 83% sure that cycloneML is trolling here and should just be ignored.
He’s a basement dwelling virgin that has yet to touch a woman, let alone start a family. These types love to lecture women on how they should raise their babies. There are whole legions of these dorks using the formula crisis to try to belittle women who use formula.
 
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My wife tried very hard to breast feed, many lactation consultations. She still feels guilty it didn’t work out after mixed results early. Passing on antibodies in today’s world was a part of that, but it just wasn’t happening and it’s not her fault or anyone’s fault.
 

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My wife tried very hard to breast feed, many lactation consultations. She still feels guilty it didn’t work out after mixed results early. Passing on antibodies in today’s world was a part of that, but it just wasn’t happening and it’s not her fault or anyone’s fault.

I think there is a lot of guilt that women feel surrounding the entire early mothering process, and it sucks. Guilt if you can't breast feed, if you have to work, if you have to have a C-section, if you can't have a VBAC, if you use meds. If your child is healthy and happy, that's all that matters - and I say that as someone who felt shame and guilt. I think a lot of people act holier-than-thou about the things at which they succeed, and that causes a comparison contest.
 

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I think there is a lot of guilt that women feel surrounding the entire early mothering process, and it sucks. Guilt if you can't breast feed, if you have to work, if you have to have a C-section, if you can't have a VBAC, if you use meds. If your child is healthy and happy, that's all that matters - and I say that as someone who felt shame and guilt. I think a lot of people act holier-than-thou about the things at which they succeed, and that causes a comparison contest.
The guilt is definitely there and it's such bullsh*t for so many reasons.
 

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my wife received more issues from the other women than any men. The men we know didn’t ask if nursing or not. The women always did. You could see judgment from those who were/did nurse.
The only men I have run across who are judging are online.

Well, I have to amend that to include belligerent ******* BIL and his ignorant phone calls
 

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My wife tried very hard to breast feed, many lactation consultations. She still feels guilty it didn’t work out after mixed results early. Passing on antibodies in today’s world was a part of that, but it just wasn’t happening and it’s not her fault or anyone’s fault.
She should not feel guilty at all but it seems like it just comes with the parenting worries. And now this formula issue just must compound her worries. Fortunately she seems to have great support from her husband.:cool:
 

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This. It annoyed the **** out of my wife. It was always breastfeeding mothers who did it.

I'm not a therapist, but I've seen one on TV. I think it's in our nature to look down on those who we perceive to have taken the easy way out rather than "doing it the right way"

Who defines what is easy and what the right way is? There in lies the conundrum.
 

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Getting the Abbott plant back up to full production safely is the key to ending the shortage. I'd be interested to hear the details on how the proposed $28 million helps accomplish this.
 
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I think there is a lot of guilt that women feel surrounding the entire early mothering process, and it sucks. Guilt if you can't breast feed, if you have to work, if you have to have a C-section, if you can't have a VBAC, if you use meds. If your child is healthy and happy, that's all that matters - and I say that as someone who felt shame and guilt. I think a lot of people act holier-than-thou about the things at which they succeed, and that causes a comparison contest.
I know in our situation we've talked about me getting up and helping with feedings (while going through this 4 month regression) and either feeding breastmilk via bottle or just supplementing with formula.. but I've yet to do it because my wife feels guilty if she's not actually getting up and doing it herself.

She also doesn't want to dig into the breastmilk reserves because those usually go to daycare if we need them to go. So she feels guilty about digging into those as well.

I think the best solution would be just to supplement one overnight feeding with formula but we haven't gotten that far.. yet.
 

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Getting the Abbott plant back up to full production safely is the key to ending the shortage. I'd be interested to hear the details on how the proposed $28 million helps accomplish this.
The only increased access that was helped was with WIC having more choices of brands. Problem is, when those brands are sold out, it doesn’t do any good. We need to pull in EU and Canadian supplies. It was mentioned by posters in here that they have even higher regs and standards than we do so there is no reason to hire inspectors to go through the supplies that are flown here if they are purchased from credible sources.

All it does is slow the availability up for everyone.
 

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Getting the Abbott plant back up to full production safely is the key to ending the shortage. I'd be interested to hear the details on how the proposed $28 million helps accomplish this.

More inspectors needed as they will be ramping up production. There are other things as well. $28 million is 8 cents per person in the USA.
 
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More inspectors needed as they will be ramping up production. There are other things as well. $28 million is 8 cents per person in the USA.
Gottlieb was hammering that point of view last weekend:
Gottlieb now saying (currently on CBS) that the Abbott plant has shut itself down and that the FDA has known that there have multiple problems there over the years. Apparently 5 different strains of a virus were found there in a recent review.
Called it a broken market.

Remember, this was Donald Trump's FDA commissioner saying this.
Interesting that "this administration" caused it when Scott Gottlieb (Trump's FDA leader) said this weekend that there's been issues at this plant for years. He said there used to be only 2 inspectors and now there's 9. Which party hates government jobs again?
 

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My wife didn’t breast feed. Tried to with our first and he didn’t latch. Probably could have made it work with more time but she was exhausted from trying natural birth and then C and our son was demanding of food. We went to formula and have no qualms about it. The bonding happens with holding and showing physical warmth and attention in my eyes. Gotta do what’s right for you in your situation. No two stories are alike in the grand scheme.
This is almost exactly what happened with us. After hours and hours of labor they did an emergency c-section, and since she was so far along by then the surgery was especially brutal. She was having trouble doing the minimum she needed for herself, much less trying to do what she could for the baby.

They kept forcing her to try but she couldn't produce. We finally demanded that he get some formula because he was clearly starving, and they made us sign a damn waver acknowledging the "dangers" of giving formula. It was a worthless waver designed only to intimidate. As soon as he got some formula he calmed down and immediately fell asleep. We ended up doing formula exclusively.
 

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Yes, more inspectors, but how do they actually help ramp up production?


Biden invoked the Defense Production Act. That helps with production. More product made. More inspectors needed to inspect the larger production. Has to be inspected before it can be sold