Similac formula recall

[CYdTracked]

Just want to tip my hat to ALL Women. Nursing is a personal decision. Women are amazing. They are more than capable to make their own decisions.

Amen! Both our kids were formula babies as my wife could not produce enough breast milk. She was not against breast feeding it just was not sufficient enough so we didn't really have a choice. There are so many circumstances for women that formula is about the only choice some even have. Can't imagine what it is like to be looking for it right now and very grateful our kids are well past that age now we didn't have to go through this.

 

[BCClone]

That is interesting. My wife is a currently a post partum nurse (training on L&D in August) and she regularly has baby's in the nursery. Including the one she was holding at 3AM just before Halloween while her co-workers tried on costumes. Just can't get good help these days.

The hospital where our kids were born was solid. They would make sure the mother got sleep and the baby did also. No issues about formula or nursing. Had the OB and pediatrician both coming in

Regarding sleep, I never stayed in the room with my wife. I figured it was best for her to have a quiet room and the couch thing I would have slept in would have meant I was exhausted. When our second and third child were born I figured I needed to concentrate on them also.

 

[cowgirl836]

And the thing is - if she is getting more sleep, your wife may feel less guilty. It's harder for anyone, male or female, to be able to have moderated emotions when they are just exhausted - that's why it's a torture tactic. <3

Sleep will likely help supply too.

 

[cowgirl836]

Our delivery hospital is a baby-friendly one. My OB was one of the best-known in the area, and he had a big issue with the baby-friendly nature. "The mom is my patient, not the baby, and it's not good for the mom in many instances." The hospital and he ended on pretty bad terms because of his stance on that and some of their other policies.

That doesn't mean that I don't think that baby-friendly hospitals have lots of good aspects. I think there has to be a happy medium. By all means encourage breastfeeding, but don't act like it's a horrible thing if it doesn't work. Our hospital was pretty lenient - my daughter and husband had a stomach bug when our youngest was born, and I didn't sleep for a loooong time. They finally took him to the nurses' station (which they weren't supposed to do) so I could sleep.

Totally agree with thr OB. Would like to see mom friendly instead. Think it would naturally be "baby friendly" and result in a better experience and start to postpartum for the mom. That means pfpt during pregnancy/pp, nursery availability, home visits after delivery, that kind of thing.

 

[cowgirl836]

That is interesting. My wife is a currently a post partum nurse (training on L&D in August) and she regularly has baby's in the nursery. Including the one she was holding at 3AM just before Halloween while her co-workers tried on costumes. Just can't get good help these days.

Ours doesn't have a nursery at all..baby could maybe go to nurses station. I get not having them in a separate room all the time but when mom needs rest...it's nice to have that option, especially if you don't have a partner available or willing to do baby care in the room.

 

[CYdTracked]

The hospital where our kids were born was solid. They would make sure the mother got sleep and the baby did also. No issues about formula or nursing. Had the OB and pediatrician both coming in

Regarding sleep, I never stayed in the room with my wife. I figured it was best for her to have a quiet room and the couch thing I would have slept in would have meant I was exhausted. When our second and third child were born I figured I needed to concentrate on them also.

We had both our kids at Mercy in Des Moines and the nurses there were great. The staff in general there is just top notch. Had C-Section births for both of our kids so they basically told us from the start that getting rest for mom to recover was a priority so especially at night they preferred that we keep the baby in the nursery most of the night unless we really wanted to bring them in for a feeding otherwise they would take care of everything. We did that with the exception of the last night in the hospital with our first child as we wanted to make sure we could make it through a night on our own and after a fussy night we were scared to death what we were in for when we went home! LOL

For the 2nd child we took advantage of the resources at Mercy and had them take care of the overnight feedings until we went home so the wife could rest. I stayed in the hospital for the entire stay with our 1st child but did not stay overnight with our 2nd child. Even with that approach my wife eventually became anemic about 10 days later and had to spend a night in the hospital for some blood and iron transfusions so even as diligent we were trying to be with getting rest ourselves was a reminder your body can only take so much. Have learned (and am still learning) that once you go through something with your 1st child the 2nd time through it with your 2nd child is a lot less stressful and you have prior experience to know what to and not to do again.

 

[carvers4math]

We were at Mercy DM. They just gave us a normal double bed and husband stayed. By kid 5, we did split up older and younger ones with my brothers and sisters in law so they didn’t have four kids to watch all of the sudden.

 

[BCClone]

We had both our kids at Mercy in Des Moines and the nurses there were great. The staff in general there is just top notch. Had C-Section births for both of our kids so they basically told us from the start that getting rest for mom to recover was a priority so especially at night they preferred that we keep the baby in the nursery most of the night unless we really wanted to bring them in for a feeding otherwise they would take care of everything. We did that with the exception of the last night in the hospital with our first child as we wanted to make sure we could make it through a night on our own and after a fussy night we were scared to death what we were in for when we went home! LOL

For the 2nd child we took advantage of the resources at Mercy and had them take care of the overnight feedings until we went home so the wife could rest. I stayed in the hospital for the entire stay with our 1st child but did not stay overnight with our 2nd child. Even with that approach my wife eventually became anemic about 10 days later and had to spend a night in the hospital for some blood and iron transfusions so even as diligent we were trying to be with getting rest ourselves was a reminder your body can only take so much. Have learned (and am still learning) that once you go through something with your 1st child the 2nd time through it with your 2nd child is a lot less stressful and you have prior experience to know what to and not to do again.

One thing that many people don't understand is that truthfully visitors suck. The parents are tired, the kid is tired, and things are hectic. It is best to visit at home after a week or two, to let things settle a little. My wife's brother got mad at us when we didn't go visit for his kid, him and his wife feed on attention. My sister, I never went to visit in the hospital, I let her sleep. My other sister was 18 years older than me so I can't remember about her kids very well.

Our first created a small water leakage a day or two before his estimated date of arrival, so they tried to induce and were told that they would take him 18 hours after initial water breakage no matter what, he went C section so the other two were also. Was nice, because we picked the birthdate with the doctor and could plan things. The last one, my wife demanded to go home early a day against the recommendations of everyone. Our child went back in a week or two with jaundice type situations and we had to try to sun him and "get the yellow" out. Our kids were all 9/7/8 pounds so even being two weeks early on the last two were no a concern.

 

[cowgirl836]

One thing that many people don't understand is that truthfully visitors suck. The parents are tired, the kid is tired, and things are hectic. It is best to visit at home after a week or two, to let things settle a little. My wife's brother got mad at us when we didn't go visit for his kid, him and his wife feed on attention. My sister, I never went to visit in the hospital, I let her sleep. My other sister was 18 years older than me so I can't remember about her kids very well.

Our first created a small water leakage a day or two before his estimated date of arrival, so they tried to induce and were told that they would take him 18 hours after initial water breakage no matter what, he went C section so the other two were also. Was nice, because we picked the birthdate with the doctor and could plan things. The last one, my wife demanded to go home early a day against the recommendations of everyone. Our child went back in a week or two with jaundice type situations and we had to try to sun him and "get the yellow" out. Our kids were all 9/7/8 pounds so even being two weeks early on the last two were no a concern.

I had no visitors either time. 2nd was during covid so wouldn't have been a choice but even after first, we had a very rough delivery, I can't imagine having visitors. Some family weren't thrilled but we didn't care. Baby won't go stale.

 

[BCClone]

I had no visitors either time. 2nd was during covid so wouldn't have been a choice but even after first, we had a very rough delivery, I can't imagine having visitors. Some family weren't thrilled but we didn't care. Baby won't go stale.

The relationship between my wife and her bro was a little awkward, but not going basically blew it totally up and they don't get along now. We went when they got home. I was actually the one who suggested not going to let them settle, but apparently, it was party time in the room.

 

[wxman1]

The hospital where our kids were born was solid. They would make sure the mother got sleep and the baby did also. No issues about formula or nursing. Had the OB and pediatrician both coming in

Regarding sleep, I never stayed in the room with my wife. I figured it was best for her to have a quiet room and the couch thing I would have slept in would have meant I was exhausted. When our second and third child were born I figured I needed to concentrate on them also.

MrsWx gave me crap (mostly because she can) for driving back home to Marion all three nights. At least one funny story, at least IMO from that. So let's have a story time. She was at the U due to being fairly high risk. She was having some complications that they were digging into and taking a long ass time to do so. Our oldest had a wrestling club thing that evening and we had already been there since like 10 that morning.

I went home, took him to the thing and tests are still coming back inconclusive. They decide to admit her (had been in a triage room for nearly 12 hours at this point) for further observation. Keep in mind they were not seriously considering inducing at this point around 9-10PM. I go to bed at 11:30 with only a rumor that they may be coming around on it (she was 36 and 5, two days later and they would have been all for it). I wake up around 2:30 with 15 missed calls...I was dumb and forgot to turn my phone on loud and slept through the buzzing. Turns out they were starting inducing. Took me an hour and a half to get down there after waiting for my MIL to come sit with the kids. Baby was born six hours later.

I went home the next two nights to see the kids and I wasn't interested in sleeping on that couch or showering in a shower that made a cruise ship shower stall look big.

 

[BCClone]

MrsWx gave me crap (mostly because she can) for driving back home to Marion all three nights. At least one funny story, at least IMO from that. So let's have a story time. She was at the U due to being fairly high risk. She was having some complications that they were digging into and taking a long ass time to do so. Our oldest had a wrestling club thing that evening and we had already been there since like 10 that morning.

I went home, took him to the thing and tests are still coming back inconclusive. They decide to admit her (had been in a triage room for nearly 12 hours at this point) for further observation. Keep in mind they were not seriously considering inducing at this point around 9-10PM. I go to bed at 11:30 with only a rumor that they may be coming around on it (she was 36 and 5, two days later and they would have been all for it). I wake up around 2:30 with 15 missed calls...I was dumb and forgot to turn my phone on loud and slept through the buzzing. Turns out they were starting inducing. Took me an hour and a half to get down there after waiting for my MIL to come sit with the kids. Baby was born six hours later.

I went home the next two nights to see the kids and I wasn't interested in sleeping on that couch or showering in a shower that made a cruise ship shower stall look big.

You didn't miss the birth, so it's all good. I never cut the cord from what I remember, I felt I wanted everything done 100% professionally and anything that might risk the kid, I wasn't taking any chances. The nurses went crazy when I didn't carry our first born to the counter that they do all the inspections on. They asked, I looked at the situation, with crap and wires running all over the floor and thought, last think I'm doing is taking any chance I trip over these wires and injure my kid since all the chaos was on my side and the nurses were on the clean side. I know I didn't cut it on the first and there is an outside chance I did on one of the others since the nurses kept flipping out on me saying no.

Will say the birthing room gave me experience when it came to dealing with teachers during parent/teacher conferences. The dads are more of a bother than anything in both I realized. In PT conferences I would sit there as they talked and looked to my wife and at the very end when it was time for the other kids conference, they would look at me and ask if any questions. I would just shake my head and leave.

 

[Dr.bannedman]

Had a baby during covid. no going home. you are the hospital staff

 

[wxman1]

Also on the topic of formula. MrsWx did tell me last night that she noticed one couple (quite young IIRC) that were somewhat wasting the formula they give them and she corrected them showing them how to preserve it since it is pretty much gold right now.

 

[simply1]

Had a baby during covid. no going home. you are the hospital staff

Hmm, I went home, as long as we had a sticker showing we’d had our temperature taken that day we could come and go.

 

[cowgirl836]

Had a baby during covid. no going home. you are the hospital staff

Good friends had water break with 1 twin at 28/29 weeks late March 2020. She spent 3 weeks on bedrest alone in the hospital before they delivered. Her husband was called to come in that morning. I can't even imagine. Other good friend had a micropreemie late February and spent months in nicu...trying to also care for toddler....just impossible situations some families were thrown into.

 

[cowgirl836]

Hmm, I went home, as long as we had a sticker showing we’d had our temperature taken that day we could come and go.

Ok this pissed me off because I wanted to walk hallways afterward to help with recovery. Nope, covid protocol, I can't leave room. I was double vaxced, neg test prior to admission and would have worn a mask. My spouse on the other hand.....could come and go as needed! Go get lunch in the cafeteria or off site, get stuff from car....they never asked to see proof of vaccination nor did they test him!

 

[Angie]

Ok this pissed me off because I wanted to walk hallways afterward to help with recovery. Nope, covid protocol, I can't leave room. I was double vaxced, neg test prior to admission and would have worn a mask. My spouse on the other hand.....could come and go as needed! Go get lunch in the cafeteria or off site, get stuff from car....they never asked to see proof of vaccination nor did they test him!

Having worked around healthcare for a long time - the difference is that you are the patient. If you get any sort of infection/illness related to your hospital stay, that is a negative on the hospital. Not a negative just in terms of "it's a bad look," but secondary infections, falls, and so on are all quality measures against hospitals. They are specifically encouraged to be very cautious.

 

[CascadeClone]

This just makes me so angry. They treat parents like they are morons. It sounds like they also pushed too hard for a vaginal birth in addition to trying to intimidate your family into breast feeding.

In fairness, a lot of parents ARE morons. Not as in young and inexperienced, but flat out idiocracy style dumb, or damaged people (drugs, alcohol, mental illness, etc). So they often set up programs based on helping the lowest common denominator, so their kids have some kind of a fighting chance to not grow up dumb or damaged too.

Most important decision you will ever make - choosing your parents!

 

[carvers4math]

I had visitors, just my family. I was good with that.

My parents had five granddaughters and they said they didn’t care if baby was a boy or a girl. When I called and said it was a boy and was named after my Dad, they could not contain their joy. They were there in an hour and that’s what it would take normal people, not my almost 70 already parents.

My brothers and families all came too. After first one, they would also bring our other boys. Sisters in law were very helpful.

My dumb BIL who doesn’t know what formula is was living with us during a period of unemployment when boy 2 was born. Spent all his time in our finished basement drinking and watching TV. Could not be bothered with taking care of oldest or bringing him to hospital so one of my brothers took care of him.

Was pretty peaceful with baby born day before Thanksgiving. Not many people around the hospital.