Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[CascadeClone]

Easy answer. Notre Dame hates the Big 10. They have their own TV network, and they are a national school that plays all over the country every year. Those are all a big deal to Notre Dame, their fans and especially their alumni.

Yeah ND sincerely appears to value their independence more than money, TV money at least. They could be making a lot more than they are right now, both per what Swarbrick has said and from what I've seen in this thread wrt their revenue in the ACC tie-in.

Maybe, just maybe, they actually mean it when they say its not about the money.

 

[Gonzo]

I worked as a copy editor/proofreader in the advertising department of the Rochester Post-Bulletin in 1988-89, going over display ads and auction/boxed ads that ran in the classified section. While proofreading fit my nitpicky/detail oriented self, it was the first time I got paid for it. It was a neat time with a fun group of people - the paper had only recently switched over to computer typesetting for the ads, so the old guys putting them together still grumbled about how the old way was better.

After about a year I moved to the city desk assistant position in the newsroom - that was a lot of writing obituaries, rewriting news releases for filler stories, helping customers who had items for the newsroom, and (my favorite) going through the archives to find local items for the This Day In History feature.

After about a year of that I moved up to an actual copy editor for two weekly publications the paper printed, Agri-News and Successful Business. That’s where I edited stories, worked with reporters to clarify parts of their articles, wrote headlines and photo captions, and started to learn page layout. I got hired by the FAA not long after that, and that was the end of my newspaper career. But I still catch misspelled words a lot - it’s really bad with the on-screen titles and graphics of just about every local TV station, especially on the weekends (but the national networks aren’t perfect either!).

Ah the days of the paste up boards and X-acto blades. We have a similar background, especially when I was at Iowa and right after graduation. To this day when wifey and I go out to eat I'm quick to point out typos and misspells in the menu and she literally wants to punch me.

 

[NorthCyd]

Coincidental timing?

Yes. Not EVERYTHING has to do with realignment.

 

[Cloneon]

I think the thing people seem to forget about GoR, is that you can divvy up enough teams to the Big 10, SEC and Big 12 to dissolve it, but no more than four woyluld go to one league, all would have to happen at the same time. So basically it would take collusion. None of these teams in the ACC, Clemson included are worth the expense to get them out. They would be on their own. Clemson is not awesome on TV given their insane success and prime TV slots.

"Unless >50% leave". Maybe I'm misinterpreting that tidbit from the info barrage, but it won't take very long for teams 'left behind in $$$' to arrange better financial position elsewhere and then voting to disband the GOR. Or did I miss something?

 

[cyclones500]

To this day when wifey and I go out to eat I'm quick to point out typos and misspells in the menu and she literally wants to punch me.

Spousal500 and I are similar -- she often has to tell me, "Stop editing the menu!" She's a graphic designer, so she nitpicks the menu design/format.

 

[MLawrence]

Ah the days of the paste up boards and X-acto blades. We have a similar background, especially when I was at Iowa and right after graduation. To this day when wifey and I go out to eat I'm quick to point out typos and misspells in the menu and she literally wants to punch me.

Are you positive it has anything to do with you being a proof reader?

 

[GoldCy]

Supposedly nil was hearalded as a way to keep these kids from being used. As it turns out all it has done is elevate the level of the way they are being used.
It is already being speculated that academic requirements will be dropped. With the free transfers, what continuity of an educational path/goal will be accomplished?
IMO in a few years, to kids really interested in an education, may be interested for a real chance to earn it.
Fo others you'll have some attorney suing schools that used their clients to make $$$ without providing a real education to insure future well being.

 

[BCClone]

Supposedly nil was hearalded as a way to keep these kids from being used. As it turns out all it has done is elevate the level of the way they are being used.
It is already being speculated that academic requirements will be dropped. With the free transfers, what continuity of an educational path/goal will be accomplished?
IMO in a few years, to kids really interested in an education, may be interested for a real chance to earn it.
Fo others you'll have some attorney suing schools that used their clients to make $$$ without providing a real education to insure future well being.

A little irony, one of the biggest pushers of this was JoBo (someone who would only receive image money so he would keep his imagine far away from most people) and now hawkeye fans I know say it's an issue for them. One of their best basketball players ever, litters the record books, and they don't believe in what he pushed.

 

[Gonzo]

Spousal500 and I are similar -- she often has to tell me, "Stop editing the menu!" She's a graphic designer, so she nitpicks the menu design/format.

That would be funny.

 

[Clonehomer]

1. ND has options, and doesnt need to do anything right away.
2. Adding schools to the ACC does not break the GoR it is separate, So any school that wants to join the ACC would have to sign on to their current GoR through 2036, it could increase the per team money that way because they could renegotiate the amount, but more likely it would just add the amount of value for the team average meaning no real per team increase.
3. The ACC GoR is a huge barrier to leave. Exit fees are 3X yearly conference pay. So 100-120M, Plus GoR, meaning if a team were to buy it out it for say 2024-36 it would be an additional $300M on top of above exit fees. But there is no reason for the ACC to let anyone buy it out, similar to the Big 12, meaning they could do whatever they want with those teams games, and keep any and all money from them for that entire time. Doubtful any conference is willing to risk taking someone and not get any money for them pending a lawsuit, and doubtful a school is willing to risk having to pay minimum half a billion dollars to leave. Unlikely any movement to or from the ACC outside of an "alliance" Unless more than half the conference votes to leave. which means a lot of things have to get in line between 8+ teams and 2+ conferences minimum to actually make that work, and the way these are all done under the table that is not happening.

As to #2. What's ESPN's incentive to renegotiate a TV deal? Seems they have a great deal locked in for 10 more years. Why would they even consider adding teams that would increase that cost?

 

[Clonedogg]

"Unless >50% leave". Maybe I'm misinterpreting that tidbit from the info barrage, but it won't take very long for teams 'left behind in $$$' to arrange better financial position elsewhere and then voting to disband the GOR. Or did I miss something?

That's what I was thinking, if the Big12 starts making a decent amount more (10m per yr, per school?) than the ACC. I could see 2 to SEC, 2 to B1G, 4 to Big12. The only roadblock might be collusion, but if the ACC schools were the ones to initiate it, would that be considered collusion?

 

[yowza]

Worst smell of all the choices in Cedar Rapids is the water treatment plant on the SE side.

Oh yeah. You get an east/southeast wind in the winter it the stench hangs low to the ground and backs into the city. Supposedly they were going to do something to reduce that smell, but I don't recall what or the timing.

 

[yowza]

That's good. Sometimes when I drive by the landfill east of Pleasant Hill it reeks really bad.

It used to until they capped it and started a new one in a rural area of the county. Now the biggest stink usually is ADM and the fermentation of grain. When Quaker Oats is doing Cap'n Crunch it smells glorious downtown.

 

[yowza]

My parents live on the SE side. The water treatment plant stench is terrible when the wind blows the wrong way.

Yep, the east wind, especially in winter when the air seems to stay lower to the ground.

 

[WhoISthis]

As to #2. What's ESPN's incentive to renegotiate a TV deal? Seems they have a great deal locked in for 10 more years. Why would they even consider adding teams that would increase that cost?

Because of FOX/BIG is the short answer. They are in position to make ESPN pay more for market share ESPN already currently has contracted imo

ESPN has a business plan that doesn’t include losing ACC schools of value to FOX. Either now , or closer to 2036. That plan also doesn’t include schools in the ACC that currently still pull great ratings when good, decaying because now are as close to a G5 budget than P2 peers.

ESPN’s primary leverage in controlling what happens to the ACC is the length of the GOR. ESPN will either need to invest in the ACC by opening up the tv deal and adding top PAC schools, simply pay more to appease ACC, or liquidate ACC- top to SEC, leftovers to a conference that consolidates best of P10, Big 12, ACC. Doing nothing in the near term drives up costs in the long term, if not risk FOX acquiring enough market share that any aspirations espn has about controlling the sport are done

I really hope we can get Fox to help the B12 lure the Pac6 or 8 to the Big 12. Not because FOX really wants in the non-P2 business, but because it ***** espn. ESPN getting the current PAC free agents is bad news for ISU, given ESPN is dead set against Big 12 being the base of P3

 

[AuH2O]

"Unless >50% leave". Maybe I'm misinterpreting that tidbit from the info barrage, but it won't take very long for teams 'left behind in $$$' to arrange better financial position elsewhere and then voting to disband the GOR. Or did I miss something?

I think the challenge is most teams could find a better deal, but they are going to be spread out maybe 4 at a time in different conferences. Some 2-4 teams need to be the first to jump, and with no absolute guarantees others don’t t stand pat and cash your media checks for years, that can be risky.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Utah Rivals writer reporting this.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

If the Pac-10 make this announcement then I expect the media will turn its sights on which Big 12 schools could be added to the Pac. As much as some people here are certain that the Big 12 >>> Pac-12, it all depends on the TV money involved.

 

[keepngoal]

Utah Rivals writer reporting this.

They are all together until they are not.

 

[WhoISthis]

I think the challenge is most teams could find a better deal, but they are going to be spread out maybe 4 at a time in different conferences. Some 2-4 teams need to be the first to jump, and with no absolute guarantees others don’t t stand pat and cash your media checks for years, that can be risky.

Hypothetically, if the Big 12 GOR/deal were to be to 2036, would ISU rather make a ton of money (likely via court) but potentially end up in American or MWC either now or closer to 2036, or trade that GOR option in exchange for ESPN/OUT (plus say KU) to make the the Big 12 leftovers a P3 setup in which we make slightly more through 2036 than we would have with OUT in the Big 12?