Coincidental timing?
This is for their South End zone and performance center, that they have been fundraising for a few years for. Saw some information on it last night.
Coincidental timing?
Cody Campbell just didnt cut a check for it? Former player now oil billionare.This is for their South End zone and performance center, that they have been fundraising for a few years for. Saw some information on it last night.
This might be exactly why the SEC seemed to slow everything down in the last few days. ESPN, may have realized what you are saying and talked to them.Lots of good info in that and pretty spot on. I really don't think there will be anything that happens quickly at this point. Everyone in the PAC will need some time to evaluate their options.
As for the ACC, I don't see ESPN working with anyone to try to get around the GOR or helping to dissolve the conference. I'm sure ESPN would be fine with having a few more marquee brands in their flagship conference, but at what cost?
With no ACC, they'd lose a good amount of inventory. It would nuke their chances of having the #3 conference, gift wrapping that for the Big XII and Fox. And it might be what forces ND into a conference, which would undoubtedly be the Big 10, which would be another huge win for Fox.
Yeah like $25M, he is getting something named after him.Cody Campbell just didnt cut a check for it? Former player now oil billionare.
Just my personal opinion from watching 50 + years of Notre Dame football as a non-Irish fan. What in the hell are they doing? They are a Midwestern School with GREAT rivals in the B1G + USC and Navy. Every year, they hang with and play 5 ACC schools diminishes their brand. Not sure why the Independent thing is so important - when they have to become less attractive to do it. Join the B1G and BE NOTRE DAME! Just my rant as a non-ND, non-Catholic CFB fan who actually enjoys watching them play when they play intersting teams and games.Lots of good info in that and pretty spot on. I really don't think there will be anything that happens quickly at this point. Everyone in the PAC will need some time to evaluate their options.
As for the ACC, I don't see ESPN working with anyone to try to get around the GOR or helping to dissolve the conference. I'm sure ESPN would be fine with having a few more marquee brands in their flagship conference, but at what cost?
With no ACC, they'd lose a good amount of inventory. It would nuke their chances of having the #3 conference, gift wrapping that for the Big XII and Fox. And it might be what forces ND into a conference, which would undoubtedly be the Big 10, which would be another huge win for Fox.
Grand View University is located at 1200That's good. Sometimes when I drive by the landfill east of Pleasant Hill it reeks really bad.
Just my personal opinion from watching 50 + years of Notre Dame football as a non-Irish fan. What in the hell are they doing? They are a Midwestern School with GREAT rivals in the B1G + USC and Navy. Every year, they hang with and play 5 ACC schools diminishes their brand. Not sure why the Independent thing is so important - when they have to become less attractive to do it. Join the B1G and BE NOTRE DAME! Just my rant as a non-ND, non-Catholic CFB fan who actually enjoys watching them play when they play intersting teams and games.
It's capped. There is no smell. I believe Ingredion has contracted for the methane generated so it is piped to them.
I think the thing people seem to forget about GoR, is that you can divvy up enough teams to the Big 10, SEC and Big 12 to dissolve it, but no more than four woyluld go to one league, all would have to happen at the same time. So basically it would take collusion. None of these teams in the ACC, Clemson included are worth the expense to get them out. They would be on their own. Clemson is not awesome on TV given their insane success and prime TV slots.1. ND has options, and doesnt need to do anything right away.
2. Adding schools to the ACC does not break the GoR it is separate, So any school that wants to join the ACC would have to sign on to their current GoR through 2036, it could increase the per team money that way because they could renegotiate the amount, but more likely it would just add the amount of value for the team average meaning no real per team increase.
3. The ACC GoR is a huge barrier to leave. Exit fees are 3X yearly conference pay. So 100-120M, Plus GoR, meaning if a team were to buy it out it for say 2024-36 it would be an additional $300M on top of above exit fees. But there is no reason for the ACC to let anyone buy it out, similar to the Big 12, meaning they could do whatever they want with those teams games, and keep any and all money from them for that entire time. Doubtful any conference is willing to risk taking someone and not get any money for them pending a lawsuit, and doubtful a school is willing to risk having to pay minimum half a billion dollars to leave. Unlikely any movement to or from the ACC outside of an "alliance" Unless more than half the conference votes to leave. which means a lot of things have to get in line between 8+ teams and 2+ conferences minimum to actually make that work, and the way these are all done under the table that is not happening.
As much as i hate to say it, but if ND joined the B1G, their SoS increases dramatically. No more picking n choosing sisters of the poor on the schedule every other week and guaranteeing 10 wins a year, almost. That does more damage to the brand more than anything.
Exactly. I dont see that level of collusion actually happening.I think the thing people seem to forget about GoR, is that you can divvy up enough teams to the Big 10, SEC and Big 12 to dissolve it, but no more than four woyluld go to one league, all would have to happen at the same time. So basically it would take collusion. None of these teams in the ACC, Clemson included are worth the expense to get them out. They would be on their own. Clemson is not awesome on TV given their insane success and prime TV slots.
1. ND has options, and doesnt need to do anything right away.
2. Adding schools to the ACC does not break the GoR it is separate, So any school that wants to join the ACC would have to sign on to their current GoR through 2036, it could increase the per team money that way because they could renegotiate the amount, but more likely it would just add the amount of value for the team average meaning no real per team increase.
3. The ACC GoR is a huge barrier to leave. Exit fees are 3X yearly conference pay. So 100-120M, Plus GoR, meaning if a team were to buy it out it for say 2024-36 it would be an additional $300M on top of above exit fees. But there is no reason for the ACC to let anyone buy it out, similar to the Big 12, meaning they could do whatever they want with those teams games, and keep any and all money from them for that entire time. Doubtful any conference is willing to risk taking someone and not get any money for them pending a lawsuit, and doubtful a school is willing to risk having to pay minimum half a billion dollars to leave. Unlikely any movement to or from the ACC outside of an "alliance" Unless more than half the conference votes to leave. which means a lot of things have to get in line between 8+ teams and 2+ conferences minimum to actually make that work, and the way these are all done under the table that is not happening.
Can we get a two sentence summary? That thing is way TFL;DR
- ND's in no hurry to join a conference so long as they're not leaving so much money on the table they can't compete on the field, they still have access to the playoffs, and they have a home for their non-football sports.
- The ACC GOR seems to have no way around it. Buying it out isn't economically feasible for the foreseeable future. Dissolving the conference seems unlikely as 8 teams would need a better landing spot. Another decade plus of making significantly less than the SEC and Big 10 could result in the ACC not having any programs that would interest either the Big 10 or SEC by the time they do become available.
- The Big 10 isn't making another move until ND makes a decision. ND's not making a decision while the ACC is viable. See point #1. Repeat.
Lol. Sums this thread up perfectly.1. ND has options, and doesnt need to do anything right away.
2. Adding schools to the ACC does not break the GoR it is separate, So any school that wants to join the ACC would have to sign on to their current GoR through 2036, it could increase the per team money that way because they could renegotiate the amount, but more likely it would just add the amount of value for the team average meaning no real per team increase.
3. The ACC GoR is a huge barrier to leave. Exit fees are 3X yearly conference pay. So 100-120M, Plus GoR, meaning if a team were to buy it out it for say 2024-36 it would be an additional $300M on top of above exit fees. But there is no reason for the ACC to let anyone buy it out, similar to the Big 12, meaning they could do whatever they want with those teams games, and keep any and all money from them for that entire time. Doubtful any conference is willing to risk taking someone and not get any money for them pending a lawsuit, and doubtful a school is willing to risk having to pay minimum half a billion dollars to leave. Unlikely any movement to or from the ACC outside of an "alliance" Unless more than half the conference votes to leave. which means a lot of things have to get in line between 8+ teams and 2+ conferences minimum to actually make that work, and the way these are all done under the table that is not happening.
What he misses about #3 is that an ACC civil war by 4-6 schools legally challenging to leave already represents a loss to the schools that remain.
No conference during the long case, in which some think the schools wanting out could just leave before anything was resolved. Even if they win the case, they still won't be in a P2, are likely blackballed by ESPN, and if ESPN controls the "3rd" conference, they are worse off athletically. They'd potentially be ostracized, and potentially they just win being back in a bruised ACC. The payment is likely be amortized even if they did win back rights on the year(s) during the case.
And if they lost, and we've seen stranger things in court, it would be game over.
It is the madman tactic. And 6 schools losing out on $800 million over 14 years has reason to play that more than 8 schools worried about losing out on maybe $20 million if the aforementioned schools leave, perhaps less. The costs are asymmetrical enough that settlement is likely if the schools with P2 homes want it. That's why the UNC beat reporter is getting fed the "6 schools legally challenging the GOR could crumble ACC"
Schools are risk averse, an offer to be in the "3rd" conference for a premium to the current deal is the leftovers extracting value from the GOR, and avoiding having no home (if winning) vs having no home and no money (if losing).
This could be why ESPN is pushing the SEC doesn't want to expand angle, as the only real winner from the ACC schools trying to force their way to P2 is FOX/BIG. Far different risk/reward if there is no P2 home to chase. FOX overpaying for 2 schools would be a worthy subsidy if it led to ESPN either having to pay more for assets it already controls and FOX getting ND
Hey I tried...LOLLol. Sums this thread up perfectly.
Just my personal opinion from watching 50 + years of Notre Dame football as a non-Irish fan. What in the hell are they doing? They are a Midwestern School with GREAT rivals in the B1G + USC and Navy. Every year, they hang with and play 5 ACC schools diminishes their brand. Not sure why the Independent thing is so important - when they have to become less attractive to do it. Join the B1G and BE NOTRE DAME! Just my rant as a non-ND, non-Catholic CFB fan who actually enjoys watching them play when they play intersting teams and games.
I worked as a copy editor/proofreader in the advertising department of the Rochester Post-Bulletin in 1988-89, going over display ads and auction/boxed ads that ran in the classified section. While proofreading fit my nitpicky/detail oriented self, it was the first time I got paid for it. It was a neat time with a fun group of people - the paper had only recently switched over to computer typesetting for the ads, so the old guys putting them together still grumbled about how the old way was better.Whoa. Were you, like, an actual paid copy editor…where that was actually a significant portion of your day-to-day job duties?
If so, that’s amazing. My mom was a switchboard operator while in school, so I’m always intrigued to meet people with wild, antiquated past job experience.