Did you want to list out those questions? They provide the data right there in the PDF.
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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The main data im questioning is the gas F-150 they chose to use as an example. Most XLT's will sticker in that low to mid 60's range. I didnt see where they listed which truck they were using as an example
$56,215 on the first page. It looks to me like resale is what's killing the Lightning.
Where I live if I lease a car, the EV lease has to be $180-200/mo more than a comparable gas car for me to break even going back to massive gas station sticker shock. Even without credit for dealers it’ll still usually be half that or less, sometimes the same. I’d probably need like $180/mo deal for a gas car to be cheaper to lease than an EV and even then it wouldn’t be some huge savings to go back to gas.
Yep I can see that. The price data is what I’m questioning. I see where it states the price, but using that price point that makes it a 2.7 ecoboost, which has a substantially worse resale value than a regular XLT. Hence why I’m questioning which version of the XLT they are using
Yeah, that's the problem with trucks. There are like 15k different configurations.
Depends on the vehicle, but always higher on the BEV. That is also factored into those numbers.
Just as an example, in our house we have a KIA(2011) and a Tesla(2013), both which cost about the same. After the tax break, the Tesla probably cost $6k less.
Insurance
Kia $600/year
Tesla $900/year
License and registration
Kia $459
Tesla $654
So about $500 more per year. A few things to keep in mind:
Last year I spent $350 in routine maintenance on the Kia, and
The Tesla accelerates like an exotic sports car, the Kia does not. If I was to compare the insurance on the Tesla compared to a sports car, it would be cheaper.
I have a feeling the Tesla is going to run through tires faster as well.
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That does not tell me much as every driver situation is usually different. We talking 10%? 20% $100? 500?
I added some details so that you could get a better feel for the difference. Nothing huge
with Copper tariffs and prices going up, rare earths going up, tariffs in general... I doubt they will be willing/able to drop price.
I think it will be the same as it is now. If you're in high gas price places EVs will compare very well on price to similar models, if you're in the lowest gas price state an EV will cost more to operate but not drastically more. For those in the middle it's their own personal taste more than $$$ but more and more you'll have people who know the reality of actually having an EV and a gas car.
We are to the point now where if auto makers want to sell cars long term on the west coast and in Europe/Asia they have to sell EVs.
Tesla's and electric in general run through tires quite a bit faster mainly due to weight. But there's another small cost saver, breaks. They should last longer compared to ICE vehicles.
- Acura ZDX (A-Spec, Type S)
- Cadillac Lyriq
- Chevrolet Blazer EV
- Chevrolet Bolt EV
- Chevrolet Equinox EV
- Chevrolet Silverado EV
- Chrysler Pacifica PHEV
- Ford F-150 Lightning
- Lincoln Aviator (PHEV)
- Tesla Cybertruck (Dual-Motor AWD, Single-Motor RWD)
- Tesla Model 3 (Long Range AWD, Long Range RWD, Performance)
- Tesla Model X (Long Range)
- Tesla Model Y (RWD, Long Range, Performance)
That's true. It's not uncommon for brake pads to last 150k+ miles on vehicles with regenerative braking.
I'm afraid because of how comparably new EVs are and how they aren't evenly distributed across the country insurance on EVs varies a ton with models and states far more than gas cars. It's something people should check out before hand. You can't say for sure that EVs are a lot more to insure, but there are certain combinations of states/insurers/models that can be. From what I gather it's less "wild west" every year though as the number on the road increase.
They’ve been pushing leases to get the corporate loophole tax credit and then buy out of you want to buy.
Also a point to keep in mind here is that Iowa has a $130 surcharge for BEVs on the annual registration to offset for the fuel tax losses. So it will automatically be more to register a BEV than another gas vehicle in the same class/price point.
