Are the new 4 schools guaranteed entry into the Big 12?
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Colorado brass: 'We are committed to the Pac-12 Conference'
Amid reports the Buffaloes could jump ship to the Big 12, along with Arizona, Arizona State and Utah, CU Chancellor Philip DiStefano and Athletic Director Rick George put out a joint statement...
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Check out this article from Des Moines Register:
Report: 4 Pac-12 teams meeting with Big 12 about possible move
Report: 4 Pac-12 teams meeting with Big 12 about possible move
Multiple reports indicate that the Big 12 is meeting with representatives of four Pac-12 schools to discuss bringing them aboard.
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Pac-12 starts media rights negotiations amid Big 12's reported interest in poaching teams
The conference's current media deal is up after 2024 and its future could be in doubt by then too if teams head to the Big 12 after USC and UCLA join the Big Ten.
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The Register article is actually the one that calls out ASU. Lots of stuff floating around. Now a P12/ ACC alliance is being discussed. Well documented. ACC scrambling too.
The P12 will fight to survive. They may even move to poach the B12. IMO - the key is Washington and Oregon. If people believe they are staying, I think the PAC will survive and expand. I really, really hope we get the 4/6 teams to come to the B12. But I do not accept the premise that we can just pick and choose and that the P12 is toast. I still expect a lot of drama to play out yet over all this. The ACC may play a role.
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Colorado brass: 'We are committed to the Pac-12 Conference'
Amid reports the Buffaloes could jump ship to the Big 12, along with Arizona, Arizona State and Utah, CU Chancellor Philip DiStefano and Athletic Director Rick George put out a joint statement...
Check out this article from Des Moines Register:
Report: 4 Pac-12 teams meeting with Big 12 about possible move
Report: 4 Pac-12 teams meeting with Big 12 about possible move
Multiple reports indicate that the Big 12 is meeting with representatives of four Pac-12 schools to discuss bringing them aboard.www.desmoinesregister.com
Pac-12 starts media rights negotiations amid Big 12's reported interest in poaching teams
The conference's current media deal is up after 2024 and its future could be in doubt by then too if teams head to the Big 12 after USC and UCLA join the Big Ten.
The Register article is actually the one that calls out ASU. Lots of stuff floating around. Now a P12/ ACC alliance is being discussed. Well documented. ACC scrambling too.
The P12 will fight to survive. They may even move to poach the B12. IMO - the key is Washington and Oregon. If people believe they are staying, I think the PAC will survive and expand. I really, really hope we get the 4/6 teams to come to the B12. But I do not accept the premise that we can just pick and choose and that the P12 is toast. I still expect a lot of drama to play out yet over all this. The ACC may play a role.
If Colorado gets left holding the bag, I don't care, let them drop to whatever conference. They left, don't want to come back leave them out. Their fan base sucks attendance wise Boulder is a pretty town but there are a lot of pretty towns in the world.
The Big 12 might to 16 but I live in Columbia MO and 16 schools is no longer a college conference. It's a business partnership. Attendance has declined. North Texas, SEMO and Central Michigan drew bigger attendance than SEC opponent Tennessee. No home game drew 50,000 - and that's tickets sold and given away. Turnstile was probably around 40k. Weekday basketball turnstile is 5,000 and that's probably generous.
The entire schedule feels like non-conference - and that's with the current 14 schools. Administrators love it because of the tv money. Missouri is supposedly in the same conference with Alabama but Alabama only plays in CoMO 6 times a century. That's a business partnership not a college conference.
The entire schedule feels like non-conference - and that's with the current 14 schools. Administrators love it because of the tv money. Missouri is supposedly in the same conference with Alabama but Alabama only plays in CoMO 6 times a century. That's a business partnership not a college conference.
Do you remember Missouri from the big 8/12 days? Iowa State for the last few years would have been favored to beat Missouri in football. Missouri used to mark that game on the schedule as a win. I live in CoMO and stopped attending games because I don't care for the conference.
The move has put money in the pockets of administrators and the team on the field has declined.
So…..no more SEC SEC SEC chants? Is that the point?
Played Alabama the first year in the SEC and it sold out. I doubt it would sell out now.
Iowa State used to bring far more fans than any of the SEC schools. They don't travel well likely because Missouri is in the Midwest - not the Southeast. As I said previously SEMO, North Texas, Central Michigan and Tennessee were the first 4 home games in 2021. Tennessee had the lowest attendance of the 4 schools.
Perhaps if they had spent the cash influx differently things wouldn't be like this but the vast majority - well over $100 million - was spent on luxury suites. SEC has a rule preventing fans from leaving at halftime to tailgate and then re-entering the stadium. That makes halftime for blue collar fans a miserable experience. Can't get to a toilet or concession stand because they never expanded the concourse to accommodate for the crush of fans. After spending an initial $75 million for luxury suites on the East side of the stadium they spent another $100 million for a new practice facility and they ripped out affordable family seating in the South end zone and installed more luxury suites.
Be thankful the people running Missouri aren't running Iowa State.
Check out this article from the St Louis Post Dispatch.
BenFred: College football fans won't benefit from cash-grab realignment, and other unfortunate facts
Sorry, but the spin isn't working
16 is worse than 20 or 24 imo. It’s awkwardly in between a conference and a league.
At 20 or 24, these leagues can just be the tv rights of bundled conferences/divisions that they are. Then face the other leagues in postseason. 6-8 Pac in Big 12 West and 4-6 ACC in Big 12 East seems most plausible.
20-24 also allows the leftovers to create a P3 setup in which the 3 rump former P5s aren’t fighting each other to the benefit of P2 and G5.
At 20 or 24, these leagues can just be the tv rights of bundled conferences/divisions that they are. Then face the other leagues in postseason. 6-8 Pac in Big 12 West and 4-6 ACC in Big 12 East seems most plausible.
20-24 also allows the leftovers to create a P3 setup in which the 3 rump former P5s aren’t fighting each other to the benefit of P2 and G5.
TV money won't make things change. In person attendance just won't be as big of an adder to revenue. Sure it might help the team a bit in terms of motivation on the field, but TV $ is making in person attendance less meaningful.
The addition of the four new members appears to have given the B12 stability enough to have the upper hand. Now that schools actually want in, funny there’s chatter about kicking schools out.
No one with any sense is chattering about kicking schools out. It would be complete lunacy. I think some are still stuck seeing conferences as in the P5 days or earlier.
The Big 12’s primary advantage in becoming the 3rd super conference (although much less revenue) is unity. If all 12 are committed to sticking together, everyone that gets left behind on the coasts will have to come to the Big 12. UL, Pitt, etc will be reunited with Cincinnati at some point, and it’s better for all that occurs in a 3rd super conference, not a P2+2 or P2+3 setup
Awesome game.But thankfully they were better than Iowa one glorious bowl game a few years back
No, the strength of the current membership is what gave the B12 stability, it has nothing to do with the mid majors that were tacked on by desperate conference administrators.
The Angry 8 are the core of the Big XII, but they needed the other 4 to continue to operate as a conference. The unity is a definite strength, but that unity comes relatively equitable values between the members. There isn't a vast disparity between the top, middle, or bottom of the conference, so nobody gets to throw their weight around to get their way, or make threats when they don't.
I'd also add that there's a definite lack of better options for the members individually, or the conference as a whole. The Big 10 and SEC are unlikely to come back for anyone else. The ACC is a lateral move financially (they're projected to pay more in a couple years, but not enough to justify the buyout), but probably won't be as stable in ~10 years. The PAC is a substantial step down.
The key for the Big XII is to keep up with the ACC in per-school compensation. As long as the Big XII is in the same neighborhood as the ACC financially, they'll be well positioned to leave them in the dust when/if the SEC and Big 10 start to pick apart the ACC.
The 4 additions added a lot of stability, the ability for the espn to use the Big 12 as a 3rd super conference via repurposing ACCN and rolling over ACC schools, and also removed backfill from other conferences.
I guess we will know next month when the projected TV contract for the PAC 10 comes out around August 4. A disappointing revenue estimate will get the ball rolling. I won’t mind going to games in Colorado and Arizona.
