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A couple of thoughts:
-It seemed most pass plays for Purdy were short in nature by design (unless a scramble/set up deep "rainmaker/prayer") with the TEs being the safety valve. I'd think we could see more hitting X in stride type of throws. Also guessing a little more "zip" on the throws that are short.

-As others have shared, I could see options where Hunter keeps it knowing he's probably good for 2-4 yards given his size

-I'd imagine Hunter will not scramble much at all and will be able to either get set and throw or brush off one person and make a second read (again, LOVED Brock, but seemed sometimes we almost banked on the scramble magic out of desperation plays, lol)

-TE play likely not as solid as the past (i mean, i KNOW we have next men up) but think Noel and X will create some different types of nightmares for other teams

-I think we will use Jihrel Brock in standard sets as he's a big back, but will have some wrinkles with our other back and even Jihrel.....Brock is also a GREAT blocker, so I could see him buying Hunter some time for a deep throw.
 

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Louisiana-Monroe not Louisiana-Lafayette. We beat them 72-20.

The point is everyone is freaking out about our record against FCS teams, but we've basically only played UNI. SEMO is not UNI.
I agree with you. The only similarity between UNI and SEMO is that they are both FCS teams and happen to be home openers. I would be shocked if we did not beat them by at least 20 points, despite Campbell’s September struggles.
 
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Purdy had a weak arm, was afraid to run, and couldn't see over his line. He wasn't the only problem but there's a reason he would get locked down by good defenses. He is a Ken Dorsey. Good manager, average athlete.
Not to get into disagreement, but the NFL does not draft and invest in that kind of quarterback.




"$3.75 million

On Thursday, Brock Purdy became the first Cyclone drafted in the 2022 NFL Draft to ink his NFL contract. The San Francisco 49ers signed Purdy to a four-year deal worth nearly $3.75 million. Along with an average yearly salary of $934,253, Purdy also earned a signing bonus of $77,012, according to OverTheCap."
 

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Not to get into disagreement, but the NFL does not draft and invest in that kind of quarterback.




"$3.75 million

On Thursday, Brock Purdy became the first Cyclone drafted in the 2022 NFL Draft to ink his NFL contract. The San Francisco 49ers signed Purdy to a four-year deal worth nearly $3.75 million. Along with an average yearly salary of $934,253, Purdy also earned a signing bonus of $77,012, according to OverTheCap."
Lol ok.
 

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I feel like we'll start out with 2 WR look with a traditional TE in Dean and Rus playing F. Longer distance downs, we'll flip to 3 WR (X, Noel, Stanley) and take Rus out. We're going to see a lot more WR screens to Noel and short passes to Jirehl, who is good out of the backfield. Stanley is going to be used to take the top off the defense and keep the Safeties back. X will take a lot of Kolar-type passes over the middle. We're also going to see a lot more zone read with Dekkers keeping. It wouldn't surprise me if he's our 2nd or 3rd leading rusher. A lot of that is that I believe that the RB carries are going to be split a lot more evenly than people believe between Brock, Silas, Sanders and Norton.
 
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Purdy doesn't have the Josh Allen/Pat Mahomes type of cannon, no; he can't off his back foot drive a ball 60 yards.. BUT when he's in rhythm and making reads quickly he absolutely has enough arm strength to effectively throw just about any NFL ball.

It's not like it's just magical arm workouts which determine if a guy can chuck a ball 80 yards in the air. When his footwork is good, and when he's on time, he is actually INCREDIBLE at throwing really tough throws. a 20 yard out route to the far side is just as hard as a 40 yard over-the-shoulder seam.

He doesn't have the same amount of talent that the absolute best players in his position have, but he definitely has enough arm strength/accuracy to be a low level starter or career backup.
 

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Not to get into disagreement, but the NFL does not draft and invest in that kind of quarterback.




"$3.75 million

On Thursday, Brock Purdy became the first Cyclone drafted in the 2022 NFL Draft to ink his NFL contract. The San Francisco 49ers signed Purdy to a four-year deal worth nearly $3.75 million. Along with an average yearly salary of $934,253, Purdy also earned a signing bonus of $77,012, according to OverTheCap."
You realize he was the last pick in the draft right? Also referred to as “Mr. Irrelevant”.
 

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Not to get into disagreement, but the NFL does not draft and invest in that kind of quarterback.




"$3.75 million

On Thursday, Brock Purdy became the first Cyclone drafted in the 2022 NFL Draft to ink his NFL contract. The San Francisco 49ers signed Purdy to a four-year deal worth nearly $3.75 million. Along with an average yearly salary of $934,253, Purdy also earned a signing bonus of $77,012, according to OverTheCap."
Honestly, I think it says more about the condition of the 49ers QB room than it does about Brock...
 
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Campbell has 5 games against FCS schools at ISU.

-1 loss to UNI
-a 3 point win over a non scholarship Drake
-a 3 point win over UNI
-a 6 point win over UNI
-a 22 point win over UNI

Nothing in this spread suggests Drake was an outlier. Campbell teams play down to FCS schools and struggle mightily with anyone from Iowa.

SEMO being out of state is the only chance we have for a comfortable win

The field conditions did a lot to neutralize our athletic advantage over Drake. Getting Dekkers confidence maxed is a priority, we'll open up the offense enough to make this win comfortable. We'll win by a minimum of 20 v. SEMO. 38-13.
 
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The field conditions did a lot to neutralize our athletic advantage over Drake. Getting Dekkers confidence maxed is a priority, we'll open up the offense enough to make this win comfortable. We'll win by a minimum of 20 v. SEMO.
80% of the time Campbell has played an FCS school at ISU he's either lost or had an extremely uncomfortable win.

Campbell teams struggle in September, and they struggle to play up for lower division type opponents.
 
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Purdy doesn't have the Josh Allen/Pat Mahomes type of cannon, no; he can't off his back foot drive a ball 60 yards.. BUT when he's in rhythm and making reads quickly he absolutely has enough arm strength to effectively throw just about any NFL ball.

It's not like it's just magical arm workouts which determine if a guy can chuck a ball 80 yards in the air. When his footwork is good, and when he's on time, he is actually INCREDIBLE at throwing really tough throws. a 20 yard out route to the far side is just as hard as a 40 yard over-the-shoulder seam.

He doesn't have the same amount of talent that the absolute best players in his position have, but he definitely has enough arm strength/accuracy to be a low level starter or career backup.
There were times when Purdy was flat out dealing with how accurate his passes were. He's also much more elusive and creative in the pocket than Dekker is. I really think that we asked him to do too much...no deep threat and multiple TEs congested the field on him. He was also rarely ever able to just set up and drive the ball due to poor protection. Zero doubt that Dekkers has the better deep arm and we have better deep threats than we've had since Butler left. Whether he'll have anywhere close to Purdy's accuracy on short to medium is the big question. I will definitely not miss Purdy's propensity for making all-time boneheaded plays a few times a season, though. But we will definitely miss his leadership, accuracy and ability to just be a gamer.
 

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80% of the time Campbell has played an FCS school at ISU he's either lost or had an extremely uncomfortable win.

Campbell teams struggle in September, and they struggle to play up for lower division type opponents.
Blah blah blah you already told us that. I'm just saying you'll be wrong this time.
 
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Blah blah blah you already told us that. I'm just saying you'll be wrong this time.
I hope so. I would love nothing more.

I'm not going to get my hopes up irrationally. If I let myself think this time will be different, I'll enjoy the first game that much less.

And there really isn't a rational reason to think that we're going to suddenly come out the gate on fire and lay the wood to a poor team.
 

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I hope so. I would love nothing more.

I'm not going to get my hopes up irrationally. If I let myself think this time will be different, I'll enjoy the first game that much less.

And there really isn't a rational reason to think that we're going to suddenly come out the gate on fire and lay the wood to a poor team.

When's the last time we opened the season with a new QB? That's going to make coach want to put some big numbers up.

Why does Campbell try to beat Iowa with Iowa's game plan? IDK, but he does. This opener s oring is going to be a priority.
 

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OOC Schedule (not including Iowa) under Campbell:

2016
UNI: L 20-25
San Jose State: W 44-10

2017
UNI: W 42-24
Akron: W 41-14

2018
South Dakota State: Cancelled
Akron: W 26-13
Drake: W 27-24

2019
UNI: W 29-26 3OT
ULM: W 72-20

2020
ULL: L 14-31

2021
UNI: W 16-10
UNLV: W 48-3

Campbell's weakness is not FCS teams, it's instate teams. We've kicked the ass of every other non-con (except a really good ULL). Expecting ISU to lay an egg against SEMO is just silly. Could ISU lose? Absolutely. But I expect a 2 TD win. If it was UNI I'd feel differently.
 

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I think we'll miss Purdy to some extent but Dekkers has a much higher ceiling. The playbook should be opened up with QB runs and more vertical routes.
 

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Maybe I'll be surprised, but I think people are going to be disappointed. Like another poster said I think it'll be a conservative offense.
I have worry. It wasn't so long ago Iowa State football was kind of the poster boy for inept offense. Historically, too, there has usually been gaps between eras of good offense, save for the transition of Sage to Seneca in the early 00s. After Seneca there was a one season blip before Meyer that will forever remain one of the most truly hopeless memories of Iowa State football for me. Then, after Meyer, it was not very good again until Arnaud and A-Rob were upperclassmen. What will the annals of history reveal about Iowa State football immediately following Brock, Breece, Charlie and co? We are about to find out.
 
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