What do you have to go on to say he is a mediocre laywer besides the fact that you, not a lawyer, disagrees with his legal judgement?
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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I agree on adding some from the P12/10, but it may make sense to just add 2 (UA and CU) and avoid doubling up on the Arizona and Utah markets with ASU and UU and then hold and see what the ACC will do. Ultimately, the broadcasters will largely dictate which P12/10 schools actually add value, but if taking all of the Four Corner schools is revenue negative for the B12 then I would think adding only 2 would be a better option
People lose sight of what these leftovers are trying to win.
Upholding the GOR in court is only a “didn’t lose” - and the best case scenario if you let it get that far.
It completely wastes turning the GOR into peak value, instead just agreeing to a death march to expiration and then nothing
Leveraging the GOR to get a settlement equal or better to balance of GOR, with more favorable post-ACC position than GOR expiration, is using the GOR to win. And given the value added to 4-6 schools in P2, and the low 2016 deal for next 14 years, an exchange will be possible
The bigger question is how many schools have P2 spots. And the networks agreeing on it. BIG/Fox talking through the press yesterday with respect to FSU/Miami..and likely putting unc/UVa on notice that staying in ACC will be tough
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Hawkeye fans believe they are.
That's not what it means.
UNC leaves the ACC for the B1G
The ACC sues for their media rights under the GOR. The ACC wins
You think the ACC will just welcome them back with open arms? The league would own their media rights regardless of what UNC does.
I know that if UT and OU tried to pull this, and the Big 12 won in court, I would want us to stick it to them as much as possible.
It's way riskier than people like you think, which is why it hasn't happened and it won't happen
How the hell have you never met a Hawkeye fan?
MSU has been in the same conference as Iowa for >70 years!
Got to find some rational hawkeye fans, they are out there, irrational people are pointless to listen to anyways.
I guess I’m considering they are both going to 20-24. There are no legal issues in exclusion of other schools.
His complete lack of understanding of how the legal opinion fits into this decision/situation, and 10 years of going back and forth with him on similar topics.
If you get advice from a lawyer that you should pass on a favorable settlement in favor of risking everything for best case of “didn’t lose”, because they tell you it’s an “ironclad” legal document, or something to that effect, find a different lawyer
Please point us in their direction, we have yet to meet any.
This is such an example of what is wrong with this country. You a non lawyer think that you are somehow better equipped to give a legal judgement then an actual laywer based on the fact that you did some internet research. This is like when people come into the hospital and try to tell me how to do my job because they googled their symptoms
While it's obvious ND, UVA, UNC, Miami, Clemson, and FSU would have it better in the Big 10 and SEC, respectively, it can also be argued very easily that in terms of finances VT, NCST, GT, Pitt, and Louisville would have it better in the Big 12 than staying in the ACC. And by the time that many teams have been pilfered from a conference, dissolution of the conference comes into play, rendering a GOR meaningless. That was what made realignment back in the early 2010s so terrifying - if the Pac 12 had managed to secure the 4 schools at the time (before Colorado jumped), the Big 12 was facing dissolution, which would have left the remaining schools screwed without the GOR to protect them/us.
IMO you add the 4 Corners. Now is not the time to be cute and mess things up. And it provides travel partners and rivalry games which attracts eyeballs. It solidifies our western flank. Those are P5 Schools and not G5. With the addition of the 4 Corners you can establish a solid P3 Conference. A Conference that can compete on the field and snag at large CFP berths. Big 12 just needs to win on the field.
The ACC staff wins- the schools of the leftover ACC don’t.
The leftovers are right back to being in the dead ACC on a bad deal. With now much less ability to change that. Perhaps some amortized payments for whatever games unc was gone, but good luck on that being appreciable on an annual basis. It will be Bobby Bonita style
If they don’t welcome them back, they all lose. The departing schools could just sit out, knowing that is untenable for everyone, or play all road games. The leftovers can’t get revenue that doesn’t exist- and departing schools aren’t playing football with no revenue. They'd be welcomed back.
For $800 million, a lot of things are justifiable for the would-be P2s. The risk/rewards are too asymmetrical, and it is just a matter of how bloody it needs to get
Iowa fans on the 247 board were appalled at the idea that they wouldn't be a part of a Big 10 break away yesterday. Overall my point was more along the lines of the mid tier team in the conferences are getting pretty big heads because they get the money and could compete with the higher ups, so they act like they're the chosen ones or whatnot. Some of those teams are going to be left behind once Alabama gets sick of footing the bill for Vandy or someone comes calling and tells them, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Clemson, and Florida State(for example) that they'd pay them even more to pair up with the Big 10s elite to form a coast to coast superleague, but this time without needing to include Northwestern or Purdue.
Ironically my best friend is a rational Hawkeye fan who only starts losing sight of reality when Iowa plays ISU or when they're having a particularly good year - and was even happy for me in ISU's Fiesta Bowl year as well as their NCAA run this year.
They're like unicorns, but they do exist.
I'm of this same mindset - take the 4 corners schools. People need to get off this idea that markets matter like they did in 2010, and they're going to matter even less in 2035 and beyond. I want schools that are going to add value and stability instead of dicking around with "well, we should only add 2 of the 4 corners schools because otherwise TV overlap".
Departing schools play all road games? Not gonna happen. That will kill the program. That isn’t a realistic option. It it like holding a gun to your head and threatening to pull the trigger. Go ahead and pull it. I’ll watch you destroy yourself. No longer B1G material. Or SEC. You committed suicide by not having a home fanbase. Just a traveling opponent now. What kind of players want to sign with a school that has NO Home Games?
